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Menachos 30

MENACHOS 30 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah in Baltimore, Maryland, formerly of Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) The second Tiyuvta we ask on Rav concerns his statement permitting a Sofer to conclude the Seifer-Torah in the middle of the Amud.
What does the Beraisa say about that?

(b) How do we reconcile Rav with the Beraisa? In which case does the Tana himself permit finishing in the middle of the Amud?

(c) What did Rav then mean, when he said 'Seifer-Torah'?

(a) How do we then reconcile the statement of Rebbi Yehoshua bar Aba ... Amar Rav 'le'Einei Kol Yisrael be'Emtza ha'Daf' with the previous statement?
How do we establish 'be'Emtza ha'Daf'?

(b) According to the Rabbanan, with this last ruling, Rav means 'even in the middle of the line'.
What does Rav Ashi say?

(c) And what is the Halachah?

(a) What does Rebbi Yehoshua bar Aba ... Amar Rav say about the last eight Pesukim in the Torah?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehudah (or Rebbi Nechemyah) in a Beraisa comment about the Pasuk "Va'yamas Sham Moshe Eved Hashem"?

(c) What objection does Rebbi Shimon raise to that, based on the Pasuk in Va'yeilech "Lako'ach es Seifer-ha'Torah ha'Zeh ... "?

(a) So how does Rebbi Shimon explain the phenomenon of the last eight Pesukim? What distinction does he draw between the rest of the Torah and them?

(b) What does he prove from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Va'yomer Lahem Baruch, mi'Piv Yikarei Eilai es ha'Devarim ha'Eileh, va'Ani Kosev al ha'Seifer bi'Deyo"?

(c) Despite the fact that, according to Rebbi Shimon, Moshe wrote the entire Torah, how do we nevertheless reconcile Rebbi Shimon with Rebbi Yehoshua bar Aba ... Amar Rav's statement?

(a) Rebbi Yehoshua bar Aba ... Amar Rav also compares someone who purchases a Seifer-Torah from the market, to someone who grabs a Mitzvah from the market.
What does he say about someone who writes one?

(b) And what does Rav Sheishes add regarding someone who corrects even one letter?

(a) If the Beraisa gives the minimum number of Amudim per Yeri'ah (folio) as three, what is the maximum?

(b) Why should one not write ...

  1. ... as many as eight Amudim on a small Yeri'ah?
  2. ... as few as three Amudim on a large Yeri'ah?
(c) What ought to be the width of a Amud, measured by words? Which three words should each row of writing accommodate?

(d) If a Sofer wrote a Yeri'ah of nine Amudim, how should he then cut it?

(a) What distinction does the Tana make between the beginning of the Seifer and the end (i.e. the rest of the Seifer and the last Yeri'ah)?

(b) What is wrong with the Tana's statement 'Afilu Pasuk Echad, va'Afilu be'Daf Echad'?

(c) So how do we amend it?

(d) If one must leave a space of a Tefach at the foot of the page, what sort of space must one leave ...

  1. ... on top of the page?
  2. ... between two Amudim?
(a) What is a Chumash?

(b) If one is obligated to leave a space at the foot of the Amud of a Chumash of three Etzba'os, how much space must one leave ...

  1. ... on top of the page?
  2. ... between two Amudim?
(c) How much space does one leave between ...
  1. ... two lines?
  2. ... two words?
  3. ... two letters?
(a) What does the Beraisa then say about making the writing of the top line small in order to accommodate the space on top of the Amud, or making the writing of the bottom line small in order to accommodate the space at the foot of the Amud?

(b) Is one permitted to make a line small because the space in between ...

  1. ... it and the line above or below it will be too narrow?
  2. ... that Parshah and the next one is too narrow?
(c) What may one not do if there is insufficient room on the line to accommodate a word of ...
  1. ... five letters?
  2. ... two letters?
(d) What then, should one do ...
  1. ... in the former case?
  2. ... in the latter case?
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(a) If the Sofer omitted the Name of Hashem, Rebbi Yehudah requires him to scratch out the word that he wrote.
What does he then do?

(b) What does Rebbi Yossi permit him to do?

(c) Rebbi Yitzchak permits even 'Mochek ve'Kosev'.
What is the difference between 'Gorer ve'Kosev' (the word used by Rebbi Yehudah) and 'Mochek ve'Kosev'?

(d) Rebbi Shimon Shezuri permits suspending the full Name of Hashem, but not part of it.
Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar is the most stringent of all. What does he say?

(a) Rav Chananel Amar Rav rules 'Tolin es 'Hashem'.
What does Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yitzchak bar Shmuel rule?

(b) Why did they not rule like Rebbi Yossi and Rebbi Yitzchak respectively?

(c) Ravin bar Chinena Amar ... Rebbi Chanina rules like Rebbi Shimon Shezuri.
What does he add to that?

(d) Why can Rebbi Chanina not be referring to Rebbi Shimon Shezuri in our Sugya?

(a) So we suggest that Rebbi Chanina is referring to Rebbi Shimon Shezuri's ruling regarding a ben Peku'ah.
What is a ben Peku'ah?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon Shezuri say there?

(c) We are forced to retract from that too, as we shall see. So we try the Mishnah in T'vul-Yom, where the Tana Kama adds to the case of a prisoner who is being taken out to be killed, someone who goes overseas and someone who joins a caravan traveling abroad.
What ruling does the Tana Kama issue in all three cases with regard to where the man declared 'Kisvu Get le'Ishti', even though he did not say 'Kisvu u'Tenu'?

(d) Which fourth case does Rebbi Shimon Shezuri add to that?

(a) Or perhaps he is referring to the Mishnah in D'mai.
What does Rebbi Shimon Shezuri rule their regarding Terumas Ma'aser shel D'mai which fell into the crops from which it was separated?

(b) The Reisha of the Mishnah permits someone who buys fruit from an Am ha'Aretz, and who forgot to Ma'aser it as D'mai before Shabbos arrived, to eat on Shabbos based on the testimony of the seller that he Ma'asered it.
What is the reason for that?

(c) What happens come Motza'ei Shabbos?

(d) On what basis is Rebbi Shimon Shezuri more lenient regarding 'Terumas Ma'aser shel D'mai she'Chazrah li'Mekomah' than in the Reisha?

(e) On what grounds do we reject the previous three suggestions, as well as the one that follows?

(a) Our final rejected suggestion is the Beraisa where Rebbi Yossi ben Kipar quotes Rebbi Shimon Shezuri concerning Egyptian (haricot) beans which were sown for the seeds, part of which took root before Rosh Hashanah, and part, afterwards.
What is the problem with this?

(b) Why would there be no problem had they been sown for eating?

(c) How does Rebbi Shimon ben Shezuri solve the problem of Ma'asering the beans?

(d) There too, Rebbi Chanina ought to have joined forces with Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeni Amar Rebbi Yonasan, as we already explained. Rav Papa therefore concludes that Rebbi Chanina was referring to 'Shidah' (which we will explain shortly).
What does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak say?

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