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Menachos 106


(a) Rav Kahana asked Rav Ashi why we are not concerned that the Noder may have meant to donate a Minchas Nesachim (making it six Menachos, and not five).
Is a Yachid permitted to donate a Minchas Nesachim? What did Rava say about this?

(b) Rav Ashi gave him a five-point answer.
What do all the points have in common?

(c) Besides the fact that a Minchas Nesachim is applicable to a Tzibur as well as to a Yachid, and that it comes together with a Korban (and not independently), neither of which apply to the other five Menachos, which ...

  1. ... ingredient do the five Menachos require, which a Minchas Nesachim does not?
  2. ... Avodah pertains to the five Menachos, but not to it?
(d) And what is the difference between the quantity of oil required by the five Menachos and that required by a Minchas Nesachim?
(a) According to the Chachamim in a Beraisa, someone who claims that he fixed a Minchah of Esronim in one K'li, but cannot remember how many Esronim he fixed, must bring sixty Esronim (like we learned in our Mishnah).
What does Rebbi say? How many Menachos is he obligated to bring?

(b) How many Korbanos will he have to bring if he adds that he also specified which kind of Minchah he would bring, but cannot remember that either, according to ...

  1. ... the Rabbanan?
  2. ... Rebbi?
(c) Rav Chisda bases their Machlokes on whether one is permitted to bring Chulin to the Azarah (the Rabbanan) or not (Rebbi).
How does the Noder bring the Esronim, according to the Rabbanan? What does he stipulate?

(d) Seeing as part of the Kometz is Chulin, how can the Kohen perform a Kasher Kometz?

(a) What does Rebbi hold?

(b) Why does Rebbi not permit the Noder to bring sixty Esronim in sixty Keilim, and to stipulate that as many Esronim as he undertook to bring should constitute his Korban, and the remainder, should be a Nedavah?

(c) What do both Tana'im hold with regard to mixing Chovah and a Nedavah in the same K'li?

(a) According to Rava, they both hold 'Asur Le'havi Chulin la'Azarah'.
On what grounds then, do the Rabbanan rule 'Yavi Minchah shel Shishim Esronim'?

(b) What is then the procedure, according to them?

(c) What did Rava reply, when Abaye asked him ...

  1. ... how the Kohen would be Yotzei with one Kemitzah (for the Chovah and the Nedavah)?
  2. ... that performing two Kemitzos would not even help, since it would entail separating from Chovah on to Nedavah, and vice-versa?
(a) We have a problem however, with burning the two Kemaztim 'mi'Mah Nafshach'.
Based on the assumption that in fact, the Noder undertook to bring all sixty Esronos (which are then all Chovah), what is then the problem with burning ...
  1. ... the Chovah after having burned the Nedavah?
  2. ... the Nedavah after the Chovah?
(b) Rebbi Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi establishes our Mishnah when the Kohen first burned the Chovah, and the Tana holds like Rebbi Eliezer.
What does Rebbi Eliezer learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra (in connection with the La'av of 'Kol she'Hu Mimenu le'Ishim ... ') "ve'el ha'Mizbe'ach Lo Ya'alu *le'Re'ach Nicho'ach*"?

(c) How does he answer the Kashya accordingly?

(d) And what does he stipulate when burning the Kometz di'Nedavah?

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(a) Based on the fact that we just established the Rabbanan like Rebbi Eliezer, how does Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava query Rava (or Rabah)'s interpretation of the Machlokes (that the Rabbanan and Rebbi are arguing over whether one is permitted to mix Chovah and Nedavah or not)?

(b) What will both Tana'im then hold with regard to mixing Chovah and Nedavah)?

(a) Rav Ashi answers that if Rebbi held 'Mutar Le'arev Chovah bi'Nedavah', it would still be possible to fulfill his obligation with one Minchah, by bringing sixty Isaron in one K'li, and one in another.
What would the Noder then stipulate when taking the Kometz from the larger one?

(b) What would he have to do, to ensure that the Kometz from the second K'li will cover the Minchah di'Nedavah in the first?

(c) How does this dispense the Kashya from 'Kol she'Mimenu le'Ishim, Harei Hu be'Bal Taktiru'?

(a) According to Rava, the Machlokes between Rebbi and the Rabbanan is equivalent to that of Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov and the Rabbanan in Perek Sh'tei Midos. The Rabbanan hold that a Minchah of sixty Isaron requires sixty Lugin of oil.
What does Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov say?

(b) If the Rabbanan here hold like the Rabbanan there, how will we then explain the opinion of Rebbi? Why will the Noder not be able to bring sixty Isaron and fulfill his obligation?

(c) What will they both hold with regard to mixing Chovah with Nedavah?

(a) Rav Ashi establishes the Machlokes by whether someone who undertakes to bring a small Minchah and he brings a large one, is Yotzei or not.
How will this explain why ...
  1. ... the Rabbanan then permit the Noder to bring sixty Isaron?
  2. ... Rebbi disagrees?
(b) How do we query Rav Ashi's explanation, based on a Mishnah later? What does the Mishnah there say about someone who undertakes to bring a small animal as a Korban, and he subsequently brings a large one?

(c) Why in fact, are both sets of Machlokes necessary? Why might we have thought, had the Tana only learned the Machlokes by ...

  1. ... Menachos, that the Chachamim will agree with Rebbi in the case of animals?
  2. ... animals, might we have thought that Rebbi will agree with the Chachamim in the case of Menachos?
(a) Our Mishnah lists the minimum amounts that different Leshonos incorporate.
What is the minimum the Noder must bring if he specifies ...
  1. ... Eitzim?
  2. ... Levonah?
(b) What is the Shi'ur ...
  1. ... Levonah that accompanies a Minchah?
  2. ... Minchah for which one is Chayav regarding Ha'ala'as Chutz?
(c) Why does the Tana not include a Kometz bi'Fenim (which is the minimum Shi'ur Hakravah) in his list of Kematzim?
(a) Which two Kematzim conclude the Tana's list of five Kematzim?

(b) What is the minimum the Noder must bring if he specifies ...

  1. ... gold?
  2. ... silver?
  3. ... copper?
(c) What must a person do if he claims that he specified how much gold he will bring, but cannot remember what he said?

(d) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk ...

  1. ... in Vayikra "Nefesh ki Sakriv *Korban*"? What does "Korban" come to include?
  2. ... in Nechemyah "ve'ha'Goralos Hipalnu al Korban Eitzim"?
(a) Based on the fact that wood is considered a Korban, according to Rebbi there, before bringing it on the Mizbe'ach ...
  1. ... what must the Kohen add to it?
  2. ... where must the Kohen take it to?
(b) Rava maintains that, according to Rebbi, the wood also requires Kemitzah.
How is this done?

(c) What does Rav Papa add to that?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "Ve'heirim Mimenu be'Kumtzo mi'So'les ha'Minchah ... ve'es Kol ha'Levonah"?

(b) What does the Beraisa rule with regard to someone who declares ...

  1. ... 'Harei Alai le'Mizbe'ach'?
  2. ... 'Pirashti, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti'?
(c) With regard to the former ruling, the Tana explains 'she'Ein Lecha Davar she'Karev Legabi Mizbe'ach Ela Levonah'.
Why does the Tana ignore ...
  1. ... the Olah (which goes entire on the Mizbe'ach)?
  2. ... Olas ha'Of?
  3. ... Nesachim?
  4. ... Minchas Nesachim (which are entirely burned on the Mizbe'ach)?
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