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Menachos 103

MENACHOS 103 (23 Teves) - dedicated in memory of Nachum ben Shlomo Dovid Mosenkis Z"L on his 64th Yahrzeit, by his son, Shlomo Dovid (Sid) ben Nachum Mosenkis of Queens N.Y.


(a) What does our Mishnah say about someone who undertakes to bring a Minchah ...
  1. ... of barley?
  2. ... of Kemach (the flour that is sifted from the So'les)?
  3. ... without oil or frankincense?
(b) And what does the Tana say about someone who undertakes to bring a Minchah consisting of ...
  1. ... half an Isaron of flour?
  2. ... one and a half Esronos?
(c) What does Rebbi Shimon say?
(a) What problem do we have with the stringent rulings in our Mishnah?

(b) Chizkiyah answers by establishing the Mishnah like Beis Shamai, who rule that, in a case where someone said 'Hareini Nazir min ha'Gerogros u'min ha'Deveilah', he is a Nazir Why is that?

(c) What do Beis Hillel say?

(d) What is then Rebbi Shimon's reason?

(a) Rebbi Yochanan establishes the Mishnah even like Beis Hillel.
How do he establish the case, for Beis Hillel to concede that the Neder is not rescinded.

(b) Chizkiyah qualifies our Mishnah to where the Noder undertook to bring a Minchah from barley.
What would be the Din if he undertook to bring a Minchah from lentils? Why the difference?

(c) How does this clash with his previous interpretation of the Mishnah?

(d) What do we answer?

(a) When we ask what forced Chizkiyah to retract, Rava refers to the Lashon of the Mishnah 'ha'Omer Harei Alai Minchah min ha'Se'orim'.
What problem did Chizkiyah have with that?

(b) What problem do we have with Rebbi Yochanan, who extends the Mishnah to someone who is Noder from lentils?

(c) So how do explain Rebbi Yochanan's statement? What do we mean when we say that he was referring to Chizkiyah's statement?

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(a) What is Ze'iri referring to when he draws a distinction between 'Minchah min ha'Se'orim' and 'Minchas Se'orim'?

(b) To which of the above interpretations of our Mishnah is he referring?

(c) What does Rav Nachman ask, first from the next case in our Mishnah 'Kemach', then from 'be'Lo Shemen u'Levonah' and then from 'Chatzi Isaron'?
How did he understand the Mishnah?

(d) How will Ze'iri answer all these Kashyos?

(a) What problem do we then have with the final case in the Mishnah 'Isaron u'Mechtzah ... ', if as Ze'iri explained, the Tana speaks that the Noder said 'Minchah'?

(b) How do we amend the Mishnah to answer the Kashya?

(c) What is then the problem with Rebbi Shimon? Why ought he to be Chayav, even according to him?

(d) What do we answer? On what grounds does Rebbi Shimon then absolve him from a Minchah in this latter case?

(a) Our Mishnah permits a Minchah of up to sixty Esronos in one K'li.
So what does someone who donates a Minchah of sixty-one Esronos do?

(b) What reason does the Tana Kama give for the limit of sixty Esronos in one K'li, based on the Esronos brought on Succos?

(c) On what grounds does Rebbi Shimon refute this reason?

(a) So what reason does Rebbi Shimon give instead?

(b) In fact, he holds like Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov.
Why is that? What do the Rabbanan say?

(c) And what did he reply when they asked him whether one additional Isaron made such a difference?

(d) What precedent did he cite, in connection with Tevilah?

(a) The Tana Kama in our Mishnah is actually Rebbi Yehudah (b'Rebbi Ilai) in a Beraisa.
By which title does the Beraisa refer to him?

(b) Which other reason (besides the one in the Mishnah) does Rebbi Shimon present in the Beraisa, to explain why all the Menachos on the first day of Succos that falls on Shabbos, cannot be mixed together in the same K'li?

(c) What did he learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "ve'Chol Minchah Belulah ba'Shemen va'Chareivah"?

(d) And what did he say with regard to the Shi'ur of ...

  1. ... a k'Beitzah that is Metamei Tum'as Ochlin?
  2. ... Three by three Tefachim that is subject to Tum'as Medras?
(a) What does the Mishnah say regarding a Minchah into which the oil was poured but not mixed?

(b) How does Rebbi Zeira reconcile this with Rebbi Shimon, who forbids a Minchah of sixty-one Esronos, because it has not been mixed with the Log of oil properly?

(a) Rebbi Bibi Amar Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi cites an incident, where the Chachamim measured the spilt blood of a mule of Beis Rebbi that had died.
Why did they do that?

(b) What was the significance of the Shi'ur Revi'is"? Incidentally, how much blood from the dead mule was there?

(c) In what way does this Shi'ur differ from the other Shi'urim referred to by Rebbi Shimon in the previous Beraisa?

(d) Rebbi Yitzchak bar Bisna queried the ruling cited by Rebbi Bibi, from a Beraisa.
What did Rebbi Yehoshua and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Beseira testify there with regard to the blood of a Neveilah?

(a) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Beseira there goes on to relate how they once tore open mules and let the blood spill.
Why did they do that?

(b) What is the point of this testimony? What does the Beraisa add to the above?

(c) When Rebbi Yitzchak bar Bisna cited this Beraisa, Rebbi Bibi remained silent.
What did he reply when Rebbi Zerika asked him why he did not answer?

(d) First of all, Rebbi Bibi cited Rebbi Chanin's interpretation of a Pasuk in Ki Savo (from the Tochachah).
If "Ve'hayu Chayecha Teluyim Lecha Mineged" refers to someone who purchases produce once a year, what is the Pasuk referring to when it continues ...

  1. ... "u'Fachad'ta Laylah ve'Yomam"?
  2. ... "ve'Al Ta'amin be'Chayecha"?
(a) Why does the Torah consider the above a curse?

(b) Why did Rebbi Bibi cite that?

(c) To finally answer the Kashya, we cite Rav Yosef, who explains that Rebbi Yehudah was simply following his own opinion in a Mishnah in Iduyos (whereas Rebbi Yehoshua and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Beseira disagree).
How did Rav Yosef describe Rebbi Yehudah?

(d) Rebbi Yehudah there cites six Kulos of Beis Shamai and Chumros of Beis Hillel.
Which one concerns us?

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