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Menachos 63


(a) What does our Mishnah say about someone who declares that he will bring a Minchah al ha'Machavas or a Minchas Marcheshes?

(b) According to Rebbi Chanina ben Gamliel, the difference between the two is that the former is baked in a flat pan, the latter, in a deep one ... , as we have already learned.
According to him, why ...

  1. ... is a Minchas Marcheshes so-called?
  2. ... does a Minchah al ha'Machavas turn out crisp?
(c) How does Rebbi Yossi Hagelili distinguish between a Minchas Marcheshes and a Minchah al ha'Machavas?
(a) To explain Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, we suggest that the root of Marcheshes is 'Rechusha de'Libi', and that of Machavas is 'Machbu'i ha'Peh'.
What is the meaning of ...
  1. ... 'Rechusha de'Libi'?
  2. ... 'Machbu'i ha'Peh'?
(b) We refute this suggestion however, on the basis of a Pasuk and a common expression.
How will we translate ...
  1. ... the Pasuk in Vayishlach "Lamah Nachbeisa Li'vro'ach"? Who said this to whom?
  2. ... the expression 'Havi Merachshan Sif'vaseih'?
(c) Then from where does Rebbi Yossi Hagelili derive his distinction between Marcheshes and Machavas?

(d) And what does Rebbi Chanina ben Gamliel learn from the Pasuk in Tzav ...

  1. ... "ve'Chol Na'aseh *ba'Marcheshes*"?
  2. ... "*ve'al* Machavas"?
(a) If someone declares 'Harei Alai Marcheshes', Beis Shamai in a Beraisa rule that the Neder is placed on hold until Eliyahu comes.
Why is that?
What Safek is involved here?

(b) What are the ramifications of this She'eilah? What difference does it make which one it is?

(c) What ought he to have said had he meant to obligate himself to bring a Minchas Marcheshes?

(a) What do Beis Hillel rule in this case?

(b) What were the characteristics of the Marcheshes?

(c) And what do they learn from the expressions "be'Marcheshes" and "al ha'Machavas"?

(a) Our Mishnah teaches that someone who undertakes to bring a 'Minchas Ma'afeh Tanur' must bring a Minchah that is baked in a Tanur, and not in a Kupach.
What is the difference between a 'Tanur' and a 'Kupach'?

(b) Neither may he bring a Minchas 'Ma'afeh Ra'afim' or 'Ma'afeh Yoros Arabiyim'.
What is 'Ma'afeh ...

  1. ... Ra'afim'?
  2. ... Yoros Arabiyim'?
(c) The Tana Kama forbids bringing a Minchas Ma'afeh Tanur, half Chalos and half wafers. Why might we have thought this is permitted?

(d) What does Rebbi Shimon say?

(a) In which of the above cases does Rebbi Yehudah disagree with the Tana Kama?

(b) In a Beraisa, what does he learn from the fact that the Torah repeats the word "Tanur" (once in Vayikra and once in Tzav)?

(a) How does Rebbi Shimon in a Mishnah in 'Sh'tei ha'Lechem' explain the extra "Tanur"?

(b) And what does he say in a Mishnah in 'Sh'tei ha'Lechem' about the location of the Sh'tei ha'Lechem and the Lechem ha'Panim?

(c) What problem does this create with his previous ruling?

(d) How does Rava amend Rebbi Shimon's first statement, to reconcile it with his second?

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(a) How does the Beraisa interpret the Pasuk "*ve'Chi Sakriv* Korban Minchah Ma'afeh Sanur"?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehudah there learn from the word "*Korban* Minchah"?

(c) On what grounds does Rebbi Shimon object to that?

(d) What would the Torah have had to write for him to agree with Rebbi Yehudah?

(a) Supposing that, according to Rebbi Shimon, one did bring half Chalos and half wafers, what would the Kohen have to do before performing the Kemitzah?

(b) Why would he do that?

(c) What if, in spite of that, he takes the Kemitzah from only one of them?

(d) What does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "*ve'Chol* Minchah Asher Te'afeh ba'Tanur, *ve'Chol* Na'aseh ba'Marcheshes ve'al Machavas ... , *ve'Chol* Minchah Belulah va'Shemen va'Chareivah". What do the latter two "ve'Chol" teach us vis-a-vis the first? Which of the previous Tana'im is he coming to support?

(a) What does Rebbi Yehudah learn from the repetition of "ba'Shemen" (in the Pasuk in Tzav "So'les Chalos Belulos ba'Shemen, u'Rekikei Matzos Meshuchim ba'Shemen")? How does this serve to counter Rebbi Shimon's Kashya on him?

(b) What does Rebbi Shimon then learn from the repetition of "ba'Shemen"?

(c) Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi appears to echo his father's opinion.
In which point does he argue with him (bearing in mind that *he* learns from ''Belulah" and "Chareivah", and Rebbi Yehudah, from 'Korban Echad'?

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(a) If, according to Rebbi Yishmael, when the sixteenth of Nisan falls on Shabbos, the Omer comprises three Sa'ah of barley, how much does it comprise when it falls on a weekday?

(b) How much flour do they eventually obtain from the three or five Sa'ah of barley that they initially cut, after sifting it many times?

(c) What do the Chachamim say ...

  1. ... about this?
  2. ... about the number of scythes and boxes that they use on Shabbos, when cutting the Omer?
(d) What does Rebbi Chanina S'gan ha'Kohanim say?

(e) They also argue about how many men Beis-Din send to cut the barley on Shabbos, though on a weekday they both agree that it is three. What does each one hold with regard to Shabbos?

(a) The Chachamim hold that three Sa'ah of barley is required to obtain one Isaron of the finest quality.
What problem do we have with Rebbi Yishmael?

(b) How does Rava answer this Kashya?

(a) Rabah tries to equate Rebbi Yishmael with Rebbi Yishmael B'no shel Rebbi Yochanan ben Berokah.
What does the latter say regarding skinning the Korban Pesach on the fourteenth of Nisan that falls on Shabbos?

(b) What do the Rabbanan say?

(c) We reject Rabah's suggestion however, on two scores.
Why might Rebbi Yishmael ...

  1. ... in our Sugya agree with the Rabbanan that one is permitted to complete the skinning of the Korban Pesach?
  2. ... B'no shel Rebbi Yochanan ben Berokah there agree with the Rabbanan in our Sugya?
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