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Menachos 28


(a) We cite a discrepancy between the Beraisa currently under discussion ('she'bi'Fenim ve'she'bi'Metzora she'Lo li'Sheman Pesulos, she'Lo Mechuvanos, Kesheiros') and another Beraisa.
What does the other Beraisa say regarding Metzora?

(b) Initially, Rav Yosef answers by establishing the Beraisa which invalidates she'Lo li'Shemah, by Metzora.
In what regard does Rebbi Eliezer learn Asham from Chatas via the Hekesh "ka'Chatas ka'Asham"?

(c) What do we extrapolate from there that enables us to establish our Beraisa like Rebbi Eliezer?

(d) What problem do we have with Rav Yosef's answer? Which principle does it contravene?

2) Rava therefore establishes both Beraisos like the Rabbanan.
What does he mean when he says ...
  1. ... 'Ka'an Lehartzos'?
  2. ... 'Ka'an Lehachshir'?
(a) What does the Tana Kama of our Mishnah say about the seven branches of the Menorah, the seven lamp-holders, the two Parshiyos of the Mezuzah, and the four Parshiyos of the Tefilin? What do they all have in common?

(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Va'eschanan ...

  1. ... (in connection with Mezuzah) "u'Chesavtam"?
  2. ... in connection with Tefilin) "*Ve'hayu* le'Totafos"?
(c) What are the four Parshiyos of the Tefilin? What is the criterion to be thus labeled?

(d) The Tana Kama includes the four Tzitzis on the four corners of one's garment in the list.
What does Rebbi Yishmael say? What is the basis of their Machlokes?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Terumah (in connection with the Menorah) "Kaftoreihem u'Kenosam Mimenu *Yih'yu*"?

(b) The Beraisa requires the Menorah to be made of an Eshes of gold, and not with G'ruta'os.
What is ...

  1. ... an 'Eshes'?
  2. ... 'G'ruta'os'?
(c) What distinction does the Tana draw between the Din of gold and that of 'Eshes'?
(a) What do we learn from the fact that the Torah writes in Terumah "Mikshah" and 'Havayah'?

(b) We learn from the word "Te'aseh" there, that even it is made of other metals, it is also Kasher.
Why do we need "Te'aseh"? Why would we have otherwise thought that it is Pasul?

(c) What problem do we have with these two D'rashos?

(d) How do we counter the suggestion that the Torah repeats "Mikshah" in order to teach us that G'ruta'os is Me'akev?

(a) How do we finally solve the problem.
Why do we have no choice but to learn that Zahav is not Me'akev and that G'ruta'os is?

(b) Now that we permit other metals Bedieved, what does the Tana learn from the Pasuk ...

  1. ... "Kikar Zahav Tahor Ya'aseh Osah ... "?
  2. ... "Ve'asisa Menoras Zahav Tahor ... Gevihehah, Kaftorehah u'Perachehah"?
(c) By the same token, why do we not Darshen 'Ba'ah Zahav, Ba'ah Kanim, Lo Ba'ah Zahav, Lo Ba'ah Kanim'?

(d) And what do we learn from the Pasuk in Be'ha'aloscha "ve'Zeh Ma'aseh ha'Menorah Mikshah Zahav"?

(a) What do we learn from "Mikshah" in the Seifa ("ad Yereichah ad Pirchah Mikshah Hi")? What does it come to preclude from the Din of Mikshah?

(b) We learned in a Beraisa that the trumpets were made of silver and that Lechatchilah, they had to be beaten out of one solid lump.
Under which circumstances does the Tana maintain that they were Pasul even Bedieved?

(c) What do we learn from the combination of "Kesef" and 'Havayah' (" ... Sh'tei Chatzotzros *Kesef ... Vehayu* Lecha Lemikra ha'Eidah ... " [Beha'aloscha])?

(d) Then why do we not also invalidate a trumpet made with G'ruta'os, from the combination there of "Mikshah" and 'Havayah'?

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(a) All the Keilim that Moshe made, says the Beraisa, were Kasher for future generations.
What was the sole exception?

(b) What problem do we initially have with learning this from the Pasuk in Beha'aloshcha "Asei *Lecha* Sh'tei Chatzotzros Kesef"? By which other K'li does the Torah write "Lecha"?

(c) What are the two possible connotations of "Lecha" regarding the wooden Aron of Moshe?

(d) Why do we not then Darshen "Lecha" by the trumpets in the same way?

(a) Rav Papa b'rei de'Rav Chanin cited a Beraisa in front of Rav Yosef, permitting the Menorah to be made of silver.
What does the Beraisa say about a Menorah of ...
  1. ... tin, of lead or of Gistron (brass or metal)?
  2. ... wood, bone or glass?
(b) On the assumption that both Tana'im Darshen 'K'lal u'P'rat u'K'lal', how does Rav Papa b'rei de'Rav Chanin explain the Machlokes?

(c) What did Rav Yosef comment on this?

(d) So how did *he* interpret the Machlokes?

(a) Seeing as, according to Rav Yosef, "Menoras" is a K'lal, "Zahav Tahor" a P'rat, and "Mikshah Te'aseh ha'Menorah" a K'lal, how does Rebbi now Darshen it?

(b) And how does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah Darshen the same Pasuk as a 'Ribuy, Miy'ut ve'Ribuy'?

(c) How does Rav Yosef prove his interpretation to be the authentic one?

(d) If, in the latter Beraisa, Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah validates a Menorah of wood, what does Rebbi validate?

(a) Another Beraisa forbids making a house (i.e. a room) of the same proportions as the Heichal, an Achsadra of the proportions of the Ulam or a Chatzer of the proportions of the Azarah.
What is the difference between a house, an Achsadra and a Chatzer?

(b) Which two Keilim does the Tana also include in the list?

(c) How will we reconcile this with the Menoros that we make on Chanukah?

(d) Under what circumstances would one be permitted to make a Menorah even with seven branches, according to ...

  1. ... Rebbi?
  2. ... Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah?
(a) Shmuel, quoting that old man, describes the Menorah, which was eighteen Tefachim tall.
What did the bottom three Tefachim of the central shaft consist of?

(b) What followed ...

  1. ... two plain Tefachim?
  2. ... another section of two plain Tefachim? How were the next five Tefachim broken up?
(c) After another two plain Tefachim, what comprised the final three Tefachim?

(d) What were the goblets, the Kaftorim and the flowers made of?

(a) What shape were ...
  1. ... the goblets?
  2. ... the Kaftorim?
(b) How are the flowers described?

(c) If there were twenty-two goblets and eleven Kaftorim on the Menorah, how many flowers were there?

(d) What is the significance of the numbers?

(a) Seeing as there were four goblets on the central shaft of the Menorah, how do we arrive at the number twenty-two?

(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Terumah "Kaftorehah u'Ferachehah"?

(c) In that case, seeing as two ...

  1. ... Kaftorim adorned the central shaft, besides one at each of three points where a set of branches joined the Menorah, how do we arrive at eleven?
  2. ... flowers adorned the central shaft, plus one on top of each branch together with a goblet and a Kaftor, what is the source for the ninth flower?
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