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Menachos 109

MENACHOS 109-110 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs. Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.


(a) What does our Mishnah say about someone who says 'Harei Alai Olah' and who subsequently brings it in Beis Chonyo (which will be explained later in the Sugya)?

(b) The Tana rules that if the Noder added that he would bring it in Beis Chonyo, he is nevertheless obligated to bring it in the Beis-Hamikdash. Why is that?

(c) According to Rebbi Shimon, he is not even Yotzei Bedi'eved, if he brought it in Beis Chonyo.
What does the Tana Kama say?

(d) What does the Tana say about someone who declares that he is a Nazir ...

  1. ... and shaves in Beis Chonyo.
  2. ... and adds that he will shave in Beis Chonyo?
  3. ... adding that he will shave in Beis Chonyo, and does?
(a) What happens to someone who sacrifices in Beis Chonyo?

(b) How does Rav Hamnuna then explain our Mishnah 've'Im Hikrivah be'Veis Chonyo, Yatza'? If he is Chayav Kareis, how can he be Yotzei?

(c) How does Rava disprove Rav Hamnuna's answer from the Seifa 've'Im Gilach be'Veis Chonyo, Yatza'?

(d) So how does Rava explain the Mishnah? Is the Noder Chayav Kareis?

(a) How does Rav Hamnuna at one and the same time concede that Rava is right and retain his own interpretation of the Mishnah?

(b) Rebbi Yochanan concurs with Rav Hamnuna.
What does Rabah bar Chanah say in his name about someone who says 'Harei Alai Olah she'Akrivenah be'Veis Chonyo', and who subsequently brings it somewhere in Eretz Yisrael?

(c) Seeing as he did not bring the Korban in Beis Chonyo, why is he Yotzei?

(a) Finally, we support Rav Hamnuna with a Beraisa. What does the Beraisa say about someone who says 'Harei Alai Olah she'Akrivenah ba'Midbar, Ve'hikrivah be'Eiver ha'Yarden'? What does 'Eiver ha'Yarden' mean in this case?

(b) Why did the Noder speak about bringing his Korban in the desert?

(a) What does our Mishnah say about the Kohanim who served in Beis Chonyo?

(b) What does the Tana mean when he adds 've'Ein Tzarich Lomar le'Davar Acher'?

(c) This is based on a Pasuk in Melachim.
What does the Navi say about Kohanim who served on the Bamos?

(d) The Tana ascribes to them the Din of Ba'alei-Mumin.
What are the ramifications of that statement?

(a) What is Rav Yehudah referring to when he describes the Korban of a Kohen who Shechted to Avodah-Zarah as 'Re'ach Ni'cho'ach'?

(b) How does he learn this from the Pasuk in Yechezkel "Ya'an Asher Yesharsu Osam Lifnei Giluleihem ... ve'Yigshu Eilai Lechahen Li"?

(c) How do we know that Shechitah is not called 'Sheirus'?

(a) According to Rav Nachman, the Korban of a Kohen who performed Zerikah for Avodah-Zarah is Kasher.
What does Rav Sheishes say?

(b) How does Rav Sheishes derive his opinion from the previous Pasuk "Ve'hayu le'Veis Yisrael le'Michshol Avon"?

(c) How does Rav Nachman explain the Pasuk?

(a) What does Rav Nachman learn from the Pasuk in Sh'lach-Lecha (in connection with the Korban for serving Avodah-Zarah) "Ve'chiper ha'Kohen al ha'Nefesh ha'Shogeges *be'Chet'ah bi'Shegagah*"?

(b) How does he know that the Pasuk is referring to a Kohen who performed Zerikah be'Shogeg and not Shechitah?

(c) How does Rav Sheishes counter Rav Nachman's proof? Why might the Pasuk indeed be speaking about Shechitah?

(d) Rav Nachman and Rav Sheishes argue specifically over 'Shechitah be'Meizid. Rav Nachman's reason, as we already explained, is because it is not called 'Sheirus'.
What is that of Rav Sheishes?

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(a) Rav Nachman proves his ruling from a Beraisa.
What does the Beraisa say about a Kohen who served Avodah-Zarah and did Teshuvah?

(b) How does he prove that the Tana is speaking about ...

  1. ... Meizid?
  2. ... Shechitah?
(c) How does Rav Sheishes, in refuting Rav Nachman's proof, explain 'Shav'?
(a) If a Kohen prostrates himself before an idol, Rav Nachman holds 'Korbano Re'ach Nicho'ach'.
What does Rav Sheishes say?

(b) Why do Rav Nachman and Rav Sheishes need to argue the same Machlokes so many times. What would we have thought had they argued with regard to ...

  1. ... Zerikah (be'Shogeg), but not with regard to Shechitah (be'Meizid)?
  2. ... Shechitah (be'Meizid), but not with regard to Hishtachavayah (be'Meizid)?
(c) They also argue over 'Hodeh' ( a Kohen who declares his belief in the divine character of a god).
Having presented their Machlokes by 'Hishtachaveh', why did they see fit to argue again by 'Hodeh'?
(a) What can we extrapolate from the fact that, when switching from Beis Chonyo to Avodah-Zarah, our Mishnah used the expression 've'Ein Tzarich Lomar Davar Acher'?

(b) This concurs with one opinion in a Beraisa.
According to Rebbi Meir there, how did Shimon ha'Tzadik discover one Yom Kipur that he wwas not destined to survive that year?

(c) When did Shimon ha'Tzadik die? What did the Kohanim refrain from doing at the time of his death?

(d) Of whom was Shim'i, Shimon ha'Tzadik's son jealous? Why was that?

(a) What did Shim'i do in an attempt to make the other Kohanim kill him, that almost succeeded?

(b) Where did Chonyo escape to, when the Kohanim wanted to kill him? What did he do there?

(c) What lesson did the Chachamim learn from this episode?

(a) Rebbi Yehudah disagrees with Rebbi Meir.
What does he learn from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "be'Yom ha'Hu Yih'yeh Mizbe'ach la'Hashem be'Toch Eretz Mitzrayim ... "?

(b) He also argues over the details of the story.
Why, according to him, did Chonyo decline to accept his father's appointment?

(c) Who was then jealous of whom?

(a) What did he therefore do?

(b) How come that it was he who ended up having to escape to Alexandria?

(c) Where did he escape to first? Why did he not remain there?

(d) What do the Chachamim learn from this episode?

(a) What did Rebbi Yehoshua ben P'rachya in a Beraisa ...
  1. ... initially say about someone who would encourage him to accept the position of Nasi?
  2. ... later say to anyone who encourage him to step down.
(b) What precedence did he cite for this change of heart from Shaul ha'Melech?

(c) Others have the text 'Kol ha'Omer Olah O Minchah Alai ... (instead of 'Kol ha'Omer Alei'.
What was Rebbi Yehoshua ben P'rachya then saying?

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