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Menachos 88


(a) On what grounds do the Rabbanan query Rebbi Shimon, who replaces the Hin measure with that of a Log and a half? What could they have used instead of the Log and a half measure?

(b) What did Rebbi Shimon retort? Which measure could the Rabbanan too, have dispensed with?

(c) So why, according to Rebbi Shimon, did they not use the half-Log measure for the Chavitei Kohen Gadol, and the quarter Log measure in place of the half-Log and Log measures? Which principle governs this ruling?

(d) Which Tana does not hold of this principle?

(a) What are 'Birutzei Midos'?

(b) In the opinion of Rebbi Yochanan, that is what distinguishes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah.
What measure did Hashem initially give to Moshe at Har Sinai, according to ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah?
  2. ... Rebbi Meir?
(c) How was Moshe to proceed from there, according to ...
  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah?
  2. ... Rebbi Meir?
(d) How does this explain the respective opinions regarding Birutzei Midos of ...
  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah?
  2. ... Rebbi Meir?
(a) Abaye disagrees with Rebbi Yochanan. According to him, the Machlokes is based on the Pasuk in Naso "Sheneihem Melei'im So'les". Rebbi Meir, who holds that Moshe was first given the Hin measure, holds 'she'Lo Yechsar ve'she'Lo Yosir'.
On what grounds can Rebbi Yehudah not possibly agree with that?

(b) What do both Tana'im then hold regarding Birutzei Midos?

(a) How do the Rabbanan counter Rebbi Shimon's argument that the Hin serve no purpose in the Mikdash?

(b) What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(c) Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah, replaced the Hin measure with that of a Log and a half.
Why was that necessary? If the Hin measure was not needed, why does it need to be replaced?

(d) It appears that Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok does not hold of this principle either.
How do we nevertheless amend the Lashon 'Sheva Midos' in order to accommodate him?

(a) What was the ...
  1. ... Revi'is ha'Log used for, besides the quarter of a Log of water for the purification of a Metzora.
  2. ... Chatzi Log used for, besides the half a Log of water for a Sotah to drink?
(b) What was the Log used for?

(c) Based on the Pasuk in Metzora "le'Minchah ve'Log Shamen", how many Lugin of oil did a Minchah consisting of sixty Esronin of flour contain?

(d) How many Lugin of oil ...

  1. ... and wine were needed for a Minchas Nesachim of ... were needed for a Par, an Ayil and a Keves, respectively?
  2. ... were needed for the menorah each day?
(a) What problem does Rebbi have with our Mishnah, which requires the Revi'is ha'Log measure for the quarter of a Log of ...
  1. ... water for a Metzora?
  2. ... oil for the loaves of a Nazir's Minchah?
(b) How did Rebbi Chiya solve Rebbi's problem? What was the Revi'is ha'Log used for?

(c) What did Rebbi mean when he cited the Pasuk in Yeshayah "me'Eretz Merchak Ish Atzasi" with regard to Rebbi Chiya?

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(a) What problem does Rebbi have with our Mishnah, which requires the Chatzi ha'Log measure to measure the half a Log of ...
  1. ... water for the Sotah to drink?
  2. ... oil for the Todah?
(b) How did Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi solve Rebbi's problem? What was the Chatzi ha'Log used for?

(c) How did Rebbi respond to that? How did he refer to his son Rebbi Shimon?

(d) What does Rebbi Yochanan Amar Rebbi say about the oil and (even) the wicks of a lamp of the Menorah in the Beis-Hamikdash that went out during the night, because it ran out of oil?

(a) Rebbi Zeira asked how much oil was needed to replace the oil that they removed.
What were the two sides of his She'eilah?

(b) Rebbi Yirmiyah replied emphatically that they had to refill the lamp with half a Log, like they poured in initially.
Why ...

  1. ... did he considered this so obvious?
  2. ... could the Kohen simply not assess the amount of oil that was needed?
(c) And how do we know for sure that Rebbi Yirmiyah is right?
(a) What does the Pasuk in Tehilim "ve'Hadarcha Tz'lach u'Rechav al D'var Emes ..." have to do with this episode?

(b) What is the gist of this Pasuk?

(c) What would the Kohanim then do with that lamp, which obviously burned longer than all the others?

(a) What does Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua Amar Rav Sheishes mean when he says that the Menorah in the Beis-Hamikdash was made of Perakim?

(b) How does this connect with his interpretation of "Kikar" and "Mikshah" (in Tetzaveh)?

(c) What might Rav Sheishes mean other than that the lamps themselves were made in such a way that they could be moved without detaching them?

(d) What induces him to make such a statement in the first place?

(a) Rav Sheishes however, clashes with a Beraisa.
What does the Tana say about cleaning out the Menorah? How did the Kohanim used do it?

(b) How do we then reconcile Rav Sheishes with the Beraisa?

(c) And how do we amend the Beraisa 'Lo Hayu Mezizin Osah mi'Mekomah' (implying that they could have moved the lamps had they wanted to)?

(d) We equate the Chachamim in the Beraisa with Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok. How does Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok describe the cleaning out of the Menorah? What did the Kohanim do with the golden caps?

(a) According to the Tana Kama of the Beraisa, the Kikar that comprises the Menorah does not include its tweezers or its little shovels.
What does Rebbi Nechemyah add to this list?

(b) Rebbi Nechemyah himself however, says differently in a Beraisa.
Based on the Pasuk in Tetzaveh "Kikar Zahav Tahor Ya'aseh Osah", what does he learn there from ...

  1. ... "Eis Kol ha'Keilim ha'Eileh"?
  2. ... "Osah"?
(c) How do we reconcile the discrepancy in Rebbi Nechemyah's two rulings?
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah disagrees with Rebbi Nechemyah's latter ruling.
What does he learn from "Osah"?

(b) In that case, what does "Eis Kol ha'Keilim ha'Eileh" come to include?

(c) But do we not already know this from the Pasuk there "Ve'asisa es Neirosehah Shiv'ah ... u'Malkachehah u'Machtosehah Zahav Tahor"?

(d) Why do we need a Pasuk for this? Why might we have thought otherwise?

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