REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Menachos 26
MENACHOS 26-27 - these Dafim have been dedicated anonymously l'Iluy Nishmas
Tzirel Nechamah bas Tuvya Yehudah by her family.
(a) According to Rebbi Eliezer, says our Mishnah, if the Shirayim became
Tamei, burned or lost, the Minchah is Kasher.
Which Rebbi Eliezer?
(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?
(c) How does Rav qualify Rebbi Yehoshua? In which case will Nitme'u Shirehah
(d) Assuming that Rav is referring to 'Nitme'u', and not to 'Nisrefu' or
'Ne'evdu', what problem do we have with this, if Rav holds ...
- ... 'Shiyura Milsa Hi'?
- ... 'Shiyura La'av Milsa Hi', and his reason by Nitma is because of Ritzuy Tzitz?
(a) We conclude that Rav's reason is because of 'Shiyura Milsa Hi'.
does he then confine his ruling to 'Nitme'u Shiyrehah'?
(b) And we corroborate this with a Beraisa.
What does Rebbi Yehoshua say
there about ...
(c) Why do the half-k'Zeisim combine by the Olah, but not by other Korbanos?
- ... 'all the Korbanos' of which a k'Zayis Basar or a k'Zayis Cheilev remains?
- ... 'all the Korbanos' of which half a k'Zayis Basar or half a k'Zayis Cheilev remains?
- ... an Olah of which half a k'Zayis Basar and half a k'Zayis Cheilev remains?
(a) How does Rav Papa interpret Rebbi Yehoshua's statement 'u've'Minchah,
Afilu Kulah Kayma, Lo Yizrok'? Since when does a Minchah require Zerikas
(b) Why would we have then thought otherwise?
(c) What does Rebbi Yochanan Mishum Rebbi Yishmael (or Mishum Rebbi
Yehoshua) learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ve'zarak ha'Kohen es ha'Dam ...
(a) What do we extrapolate from the Beraisa 'u've'Minchah, Afilu Kulah
Kayemes, Lo Yizrok'.
What does this preclude?
(b) What does Rebbi Yochanan learn from "le'Re'ach Nicho'ach" (in the same
(c) The Torah needs to write "le'Re'ach Nicho'ach", to teach us the Din of
Yoseres and the Sh'tei ha'Kelayos, which we would not have known from
Cheilev (presumably because they are less attached to the Basar than the
But having written "le'Re'ach Nicho'ach, why does it need to
(a) Our Mishnah states 'she'Lo bi'Cheli Shareis Pasul'.
What does Rebbi
(b) Over which Avodah are they arguing?
(c) What does the Tana say about burning the Kometz in two lots?
(a) What does Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya learn from the Pasuk in Tzav (in
connection with the Kometz) "Kodesh Kodshim Hi, ka'Chatas ve'cha'Asham"?
(b) What does Rebbi Yanai say? What are 'Hemyano' and 'Makeidah'?
(c) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak disagrees with both opinions.
What does he
(a) We ask on Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya from a Beraisa.
What does the
Tana say there about ...
(b) How do we know that the author of this Beraisa is Rebbi Shimon?
- ... Hekter Chalavim ve'Eivarim ve'Eitzim?
- ... the Kometz, the Ketores and the Levonah?
(c) How will Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya interpret the Seifa of the
(a) What does the Beraisa rule in a case where 'Kamtzo mi'Cheli Shareis
ve'Kidsho she'Lo bi'Cheli Shareis Ve'he'elo Ve'hiktiro she'Lo bi'Cheli
Answers to questions
(b) 'Rebbi Elazar ve'Rebbi Shimon Machshirin be'Matan K'li'.
Why is this a
Kashya on Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak?
(c) How does he amend the Beraisa?
(a) In another Beraisa, the Chachamim require the Kometz to be taken from a
K'li Shareis and placed into a K'li Shareis.
What do they say about taking
the Kometz on to the Mizbe'ach?
(b) How will Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak amend the Seifa 'Rebbi Shimon Omer,
Keivan she'Kamtzo mi'Cheli Shareis, Ma'alo u'Maktiro ve'Dayo'?
(c) What do Rebbi Elazar and Rebbi Shimon in a Beraisa say in a case where
the Kohen performed the Kemitzah with his right hand and transferred the
Kometz to his left hand?
(d) What do they then rule in a case where the Kohen had a Machsheves Chutz
li'Mekomo or Chutz li'Zemano ...
- ... whilst the Kometz was still in his left hand?
- ... after he returned it to his right hand?
(a) On what grounds do the Rabbanan invalidate a Kometz which the Kohen
transferred to his left hand?
(b) What is the basis of the Machlokes? On what grounds do Rebbi Elazar and
Rebbi Shimon validate the Kometz which the Kohen transferred to his
(c) On whom is this a Tiyuvta (to which there is no answer)?
(d) In which way does this Beraisa also lend support to Yehudah b'rei
(e) In that case, it is a Tiyuvta on Rebbi Yanai (who permits even carrying
the Kometz in the Kohen's belt or in an earthenware vessel).
How will he
counter the Kashya? Like which Beraisa will he hold?
(a) What does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi mean when he comments on our Mishnah
('Hiktir Komtzah Pa'amayim, Kesheirah') 'Pa'amayim, ve'Lo Pa'amei
(b) What does Rebbi Yochanan say?
(c) Rebbi Zeira explains how each one extrapolates his opinion from 'Hiktir
According to him, what is their basic Machlokes?
(d) How does the opinion of ...
- ... Rebbi Yehoshua evolve from there?
- ... Rebbi Yochanan evolve from there?
(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk (in connection with the Shirayei
ha'Minchah) "Kodshei Kodshim me'Ishei Hashem"?
(b) According to Rebbi Chanina, this refers to as soon as the fire has
started to burn part of the Kometz.
What does Rebbi Yochanan say?
(c) How did Rav Yehudah prove Rebbi Yochanan's opinion to Rabah bar Rav
Nachman from the Pasuk in Vayeira (in connection with the burning of S'dom)
"ve'Hinei Alah Kitor ha'Aretz ke'Kitor ha'Kivshan? What does that have to do
with the burning of the Kometz?
(a) We learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "Hi ha'Olah al Mokdah al ha'Mizbe'ach
Kol ha'Laylah" that the Eivarim u'Pedarim are burned all night on the
Why might we have thought that this does not apply to the
Kometz, the Levonah, the Ketores, the Minchas Kohen Mashi'ach and the
(b) This latter list incorporates virtually all the Korbanos.
then be the only Korban to burn all night?
(c) How do we reconcile the Beraisa's insertion of Minchas Nesachim with the
ruling 'Minchasam ve'Niskeihem ba'Laylah'?
(d) What does the Beraisa cited by Rav Amram learn from the Pasuk in Tzav
"Zos Toras ha'Olah" (ibid)?
(a) The Beraisa said 'she'Ma'alan u'Maktiran mi'Bo ha'Shemesh'.
problem do we have with ...
(b) We answer 'Ka'an Lehaklit, Ka'an Lehatir'.
- ... this Lashon?
- ... amending it to 'Im Ba ha'Shemesh'?
What do we mean by that?
(c) Rebbi Elazar retains the original Lashon 'mi'Bo ha'Shemesh'.
he establish the Beraisa to answer the Kashya from 'Darkan Likarev ba'Yom'?
(a) What problem do we have with the fact that Rav Dimi cites Rebbi Yanai as
holding the same view as Rebbi Elazar? What did Rebbi Yanai say about
Ketores that falls off the Mizbe'ach (ha'Zahav)?
(b) And what did Rav Chanina bar Minyumi quoting a Beraisa of Rebbi Eliezer
ben Ya'akov learn from the Pasuk "Asher Tochal ha'Eish es ha'Olah al
(c) How do we resolve this problem?
(a) What did Rebbi Elazar ask about arranging the Ma'arachah for the
Korbanos on top of the Kometz? Why might it not be permissible?
(b) Chizkiyah asked a similar She'eilah about arranging the Ma'arachah on
top of the Eivarim (which apparently, is less unconventional than arranging
it on top of the Kometz).
Why then, may it nevertheless not be
(c) What does he then learn from the Pasuk there "Asher Tochal ha'Eish es
ha'Olah al ha'Mizbe'ach"?
(d) What is the outcome of both She'eilos?
(a) What are the two possible meanings of "al''?
Answers to questions
(b) Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha asked whether it is permissible to place the
Eivarim beside the Ma'arachah.
Seeing as the Torah writes "al ha'Eitzim",
how does this She'eilah initially tie up with the two interpretations of
(c) On what grounds does Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha think that, even if 'al'
sometimes means 'next to', it might not mean that here?
(d) What is the outcome of the She'eilah?