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Menachos 2

MENACHOS 2 - dedicated anonymously in appreciation of D.A.F.'s work by a subscriber in the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

Please note that unless otherwise indicated, we follow the explanation of Tosfos instead of that of Rashi, since the latter is purported to have written by someone other than Rashi. Also, our notes and comments do not necessarily have a bearing on the practical Halachah.

***** Perek Kol ha'Menachos *****


(a) What does our Mishnah say about Menachos whose Kometz was taken she'Lo li'Shemah?

(b) What is an example of she'Lo li'Shemah?

(c) Seeing as the owner is obligated to bring another Korban, what are the ramifications of declaring them Kasher?

(d) What are the two exceptions to this rule?

(a) Besides the Kemitzah and the Haktarah, which other two Avodos she'Lo ki'Shemah render a Minchas Kena'os and a Minchas Chotei Pasul?

(b) How does the Tana define she'Lo li'Shemah in connection with a Minchas Chotei?

(c) What will be the Din if the Kohen performed the Kemitzah li'Shemah and she'Lo li'Shemah or vice-versa?

(d) Having taught us that li'Shemah and she'Lo li'Shemah is Pasul, why does the Tana need to add 'or vice-versa'? What might we otherwise have thought?

(a) What is the problem with the Lashon of the Mishnah 'Kol ha'Menachos ... *Ela* she'Lo Alu le'Ba'alim le'Shem Chovah'? What does 'Ela' imply?

(b) And we answer that it teaches us a ruling of Rava.
What did Rava say about an Olah that one Shechted she'Lo li'Shemah?

(c) Rava's source is either a S'vara or a Pasuk.
What is the S'vara?

(d) How do we also derive it from the Pasuk in Shoftim "Motzei Sefasecha Tishmor ... Ka'asher Nadarta Nedavah"?

4) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra (in connection with a Neder a Nedavah) "Im Zevach Shelamim Korbano"?

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(a) We suggest that the author of our Mishnah cannot be Rebbi Shimon.
What does Rebbi Shimon include when he says that all Menachos whose Kemitzos are performed she'Lo li'Shemah are Kasher?

(b) What reason does he give for this? What makes a Minchas Chotei she'Lo li'Shemah different in this regard than a Chatas she'Lo li'Shemah?

(c) In what way is the Kometz of a Minchas Chotei clearly distinguishable from that of a regular Minchah?

(d) This goes well with Rav Ashi, who will later establish this ruling of Rebbi Shimon by 'Kometz Minchas Machavas le'Shem Minchas Marcheshes, but not with Rabah and Rava, who will establish this ruling differently.
How will ...

  1. ... Rav Ashi establish or Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon?
  2. ... Rabah and Rava establish our Mishnah?
(a) We ask on Rebbi Shimon from his own statement in another Beraisa, where he explains the Pasuk in Tzav (in connection with a Minchah) "Kodesh Kodashim Hi ka'Chatas ve'cha'Asham".
What is the basic difference between a Chatas and an Asham (to which the Torah is now comparing a Minchah)?

(b) How does Rebbi then apply this difference to a Minchah?

(c) Rabah answers 'Ka'an be'Shinuy Kodesh, Ka'an be'Shinuy Ba'alim'.
What does he mean by that?

(d) Based on the fact that the P'sul by a Minchah she'Lo li'Shemah is learned from a Shelamim, Abaye queries Rabah's distinction.
What does the latter reply?

(a) What do we ask on Rabah from an Olas ha'Of that the Kohen performed Melikah on above the Chut ha'Sikra, as a Chatas ha'Of? What clear distinction marks the two?

(b) We answer with a statement of Mar.
What does Mar say about the location of Melikah that will answer the Kashya?

(c) We then ask the same Kashya on Rabah from an Olas ha'Of on which the Kohen performed Mitzuy ha'Dam above the Chut ha'Sikra, having in mind that it is a Chatas ha'Of.
Why can we not give the same answer as we just gave in the case of Haza'ah?

(d) And we answer that it might just as well be the Mitzuy that comes after the Haza'ah.
So what if it is?

(a) Finally, we ask the same Kashya on a Chatas ha'Of, on which the Kohen performed Mitzuy ha'Dam below the Chut ha'Sikra, having in mind that it is an Olas ha'Of. Why ought it to be Kasher according to Rebbi Shimon?

(b) What do we answer?

(c) How does this fit with the wording of Rebbi Shimon's reason 'she'Ein ha'Menachos Domos li'Zevachim'?

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