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Previous daf Zevachim 86
ZEVACHIM 86 - Sponsored anonymously. May Hash-m provide respite to all of
the prisoners and the wounded of Israel, bi'Meherah b'Yameinu.
1) THINGS NOT FIT FOR THE "MIZBE'ACH" (cont.)
(a) (Beraisa): "V'Hiktir ha'Kohen Es ha'Kol ha'Mizbechah" -
this includes bones, sinews, horns and hooves;
2) RETURNING ARTICLES TO THE "MIZBE'AC"H
(b) Suggestion: Perhaps it includes even the Peresh!
(c) Rejection: "V'Asisa Olosecha ha'Basar veha'Dam".
(d) Suggestion: If only meat and blood are offered, perhaps
we must remove the sinews and bones!
(e) Rejection: "V'Hiktir ha'Kohen Es ha'Kol".
(f) Conclusion: If they are still attached, they are offered;
if they separated, even on top of the Mizbe'ach, Yerdu.
(g) Question: Who is the Tana (Tosfos - of the Beraisa; Rashi
- and our Mishnah), who says that if they separated,
(h) Answer: It is Rebbi.
1. (Beraisa): "V'Hiktir ha'Kohen Es ha'Kol
ha'Mizbechah" - this includes bones, sinews, horns
and hooves, even if they separated;
(i) (Text of Rebbi, according to Shitah Mekubetzes) Question
(Does the first Tana of the Beraisa really say that we
offer them) even if they separated?! (The Mishnah said
Ya'alu only when they are attached!)
i. Question: What does "V'Asisa Olosecha ha'Basar
2. Rebbi says, the first verse includes, the latter
excludes - we include when they (bones, sinews...)
are attached, Ya'aleh; when they are detached,
ii. Answer: This teaches that we return to the
Mizbe'ach partially burned meat of an Olah
(that flew off), not partially burned bones and
3. (Our text cites the Mishnah now - Tosfos deletes
this, for the following explains the last clause of
the Beraisa, when they are on the Mizbe'ach.)
4. (R. Zeira): This is only if they came off the meat
to the side further from the fire - if they
separated closer to the fire, this is part of the
process of being burned (surely, Lo Yerdu)!
(j) Answer (Rabah): It means, the law 'When they are
detached, Yerdu (and they are forbidden like Kodshim)'
only applies if they separated after Zerikah - but if
they separate before Zerikah, the Zerikah permits them
(like Chulin), the Kohen may use them to make a knife
(k) Rabah holds like R. Yochanan.
1. (R. Yochanan): It says "Lo Yihyeh" regarding (skin
of) an Olah (that the Kohen receives it), and
(l) Question (Rav Ada bar Ahavah - Beraisa): Me'ilah applies
to bones of (Kodshei) Kodshim (that are eaten) before
Zerikah, not after Zerikah (they become permitted with
i. Just like the bones of Asham are permitted to
Kohanim (they receive and eat the meat), also
bones of an Olah.
2. Suggestion: We must say that the words "Lo Yihyeh"
are extra, for if not we could not learn from the
Gezerah Shavah, for Asham is more lenient, its meat
is permitted to Kohanim!
3. Confirmation: Indeed, the words "Lo Yihyeh"
regarding Olah are superfluous.
1. Me'ilah always applies to bones of an Olah.
(m) Answer: It should say, if bones of an Olah separated
before Zerikah, there is no Me'ilah; if they separated
after Zerikah, Me'ilah always applies.
(n) Rabah argues with R. Elazar.
1. (R. Elazar): If bones (of an Olah) separated before
Zerikah, there is Me'ilah (since they will not be
offered, Zerikah does not permit them); if they
separated after Zerikah, it is forbidden to benefit
from them (mid'Rabanan), there is no Me'ilah.
(a) (Mishnah): If any of these (Pesulim, or bones, sinews,
..) flew off the Mizbe'ach, we do not return them.
(b) If a coal flew off the Mizbe'ach, we do not return it.
(c) If limbs (of a Kosher Olah) flew off the Mizbe'ach before
midnight, we return it, Me'ilah applies to it;
1. After midnight, we do not return it, Me'ilah does
(d) Just like the Mizbe'ach is Mekadesh what is fit for it,
also the ramp;
(e) Just like the Mizbe'ach and ramp are Mekadesh what is fit
for them, Kli Shares Mekadesh what is fit for them.
(f) (Gemara) Question: What is the case (of returning limbs)?
1. If proper meat remains, we should return even after
(g) Answer: The Mishnah discusses Shriri (meat that became as
hard as wood).
2. If proper meat does not remain, we should not return
even before midnight!
(h) Question: What is the source of this?
(i) Answer (#1) (Rav) Contradiction: It says that we Maktir
"Kol ha'Laylah" - but it continues ("Kol
ha'Laylah)...V'Herim (we take off the Mizbe'ach)"!
1. Answer: We divide the night into two halves - the
first half is for Haktarah, the latter is for
(j) Objection (Rav Kahana - Mishnah): Normally, Terumas
ha'Deshen is done at Kros ha'Gever, or close to it; on
Yom Kipur, it is done at midnight; on the festivals, it
is done at the end of the first Ashmores (third of the
1. If mid'Oraisa, the first half is for Haktarah, we
could not do Terumas ha'Deshen before midnight!
(k) Version #1 - Rashi - Answer (to the objection - R.
Yochanan) Question: Since it says "Kol ha'Laylah", we
know that this is until morning - why does it say "Ad
1. Answer: This teaches that the transition from
Haktarah to Haramah is before morning - the Torah
did not fix the time, it allows Chachamim to decide
the proper time;
(l) Version #2 - Tosfos - Answer #2 (R. Yochanan) Question:
Since it says "Kol ha'Laylah", we know that this is until
morning - why does it say "Ad Boker"?
1. ("Kol ha'Laylah" is Kosher for Haktarah (of things
not yet consumed), and also for Haramah (of ashes));
"Ad ha'Boker" teaches that there is an intermediate
time (for Shriri, which is mostly consumed);
2. Since the Torah did not specify, surely it is
midnight (after which Shriri is considered
consumed). (End of Version #2)
i. On a normal day, Terumas ha'Deshen is done at
ii. On Yom Kipur, it is done at midnight, to allow
the Kohen Gadol time to rest (before Avodos
ha'Yom; alternatively, other Kohanim prepare
the Ma'arachah before dawn, in order that the
Kohen Gadol can begin Avodos ha'Yom promptly at
iii. On the festivals, it is done at the end of the
first Ashmores, for there is more Deshen, and
the Azarah will be full of people before Kros