ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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(a) 'Pirkan' ...
(b) The problem inherent in our Mishnah - is why the Tana says 'Lifnei
Shanah, ve'Lifnei Shenasayim'. If one educates children *two* years before
they come of age, then why mention *one*?
- ... with regard to a girl - means when she reaches the age of twelve.
- ... with regard to a boy - the age of thirteen.
- ... 'Lifnei Shanah' used by the Tana of our Mishnah - means one year prior to that.
(c) Rav Chisda explains that *one* year refers to a *weak* child, *two*, to
a *strong* one.
(a) According to Rav Huna, a girl of eight or nine must fast for a few hours
- a girl of ten or eleven, all day (mi'de'Rabbanan).
(b) When Rav Huna speaks of 'eight or nine', and of 'ten or eleven' - he
means a strong girl and a weak one (just like Rav Chisda explained our
(c) Once a girl turns twelve, she is obligated to fast mi'd'Oraysa,
irrespective of whether she is strong or weak (unless of course, her life is
(d) Rav Nachman, who divides the ages into two groups of nine and ten, and
eleven and twelve, concurs entirely with Rav Huna - only *he* is speaking
about a boy, and *Rav Huna*, about a girl.
(a) According to Rebbi Yochanan, there is no such thing as completing the
fast mi'de'Rabbanan. A girl of twelve is obligated to fast mi'd'Oraysa, and
one of ten or eleven, mi'de'Rabbanan.
(b) Rav Huna and Rav Nachman interpret 'Mechanchin Osan *Lifnei Shanah
ve'Lifnei Shenasayim'* ... to mean one or two years before the one or two
years that they are obligated mi'de'Rabbanan to complete the fast.
(c) According to Rebbi Yochanan, what does our Mishnah mean when it writes
'Mechanchin Osan Lifnei Shanah ... ' - seeing as, in his opinion, there is
no obligation to complete the fast mi'de'Rabbanan?
(d) Rebbi Yochanan will amend the Mishnah to read 'Mechanchin Osan Shanah
... ' (erasing the word 'Lifnei'), implying that, one year before they come
of age if they are weak, and two years, if they are strong.
(a) The Beraisa quoted by Rabah bar Shmuel says 'Mechanchin Osan Shanah O
Shetayim Samuch le'Pirkan' implying that they must fast one or two years
before they come of age - and not three or four, like Rav Huna and Rav
Nachman hold? So how will they reconcile the Beraisa with their own
(b) They answer that Mechanchin here means the obligation to fast all day.
They reconcile this Beraisa with another Beraisa, which specifically
describes 'Mechanchin' as eating one hour later than usual - by establishing
that there are *two* kinds of Chinuch (in this regard).
(a) When a pregnant woman has a strong urge to partake from a food that is
cooking on the stove - it means that the baby has a desire for it.
(b) Should this occur, even on Yom Kipur, one feeds her until she no longer
has the urge to eat - otherwise, both her life and that of the baby will be
(c) The Tana of our Mishnah permits a sick person to eat - either through
the advice of experts or through the sick person himself (until he says
(a) If during the year, a pregnant woman has a desire for meat of Hekdesh or
non-Kasher food, the Beraisa gives three stages of stilling her desire: one
first sticks a spindle into the gravy and places it on her mouth; then,
assuming that she is not satisfied with that, one feeds her some of the
gravy; if she is still not satisfied, then one feeds her the actual food.
(b) According to Rebbi Eliezer in the Beraisa - the only three prohibitions
that over-ride human life, are idolatry, adultery and murder.
(c) Rebbi Eliezer learns from the Pasuk in va'Eschanan ...
1. ... "be'Chol Nafshecha" - that someone whose life is worth more to him
than his money, is nevertheless obligated to give up his life rather than
transgress any of the above three.
2. ... " u've'Chol Me'odecha" - that if his money is more precious to him
than his body, then he must rather lose all his money.
(a) Rebbi Eliezer learns ...
1. ... that murder as well as adultery, over-rides human life - from the
Hekesh of a betrothed girl (who is being chased by a man who wants to rape
her) to murder. The comparison, as it stands, teaches us nothing; it must
therefore come firstly, to compare, not rape to murder, but murder to rape -
to teach us that just as one is permitted to save a betrothed girl who is
being raped (to save her Neshamah), even by killing the rapist, so too, may
one kill someone who is threatening to kill a fellow-Jew (to save his body).
(b) And secondly, that just as one must rather give up one's life than kill
someone else, so too, must one rather give up one's life than commit
(a) Rava told the unfortunate man, whom the Romans warned that either he
kills the mayor of his town or they would kill him - that he must rather
allow himself to be killed than kill a fellow Jew.
(b) The man initially thought that his own life should come first - because
the Torah writes "va'Chai Bahem" - 've'Lo she'Yamus Bahem'.
(c) He erred inasmuch as this Sevara applies only to other Mitzvos, where
the Mitzvah will be performed and a Jewish life saved - but not when
somebody else's life is at stake. There, where the Mitzvah will not be
performed and a life will be lost in any case, who's to say that his life is
more valuable than the other Jew's? Consequently, he must desist from
killing another Jew, rather allowing himself to be killed.
(a) When a certain woman had the problem of her unborn baby wanting to eat
on Yom Kipur - Rebbi instructed her to whisper in his ear that today was Yom
(b) Her longing to eat ceased.
(c) The baby subsequently turned out to be Rebbi Yochanan.
(d) Rebbi attributed the Pasuk "be'Terem Etzarcha ba'Beten Yeda'ticha ... ".
(a) Shabsa'i Otzar Peiri turned out to be the baby of the other woman, to
whom Rebbi issued the same advice. This baby, though, persisted.
(b) He was called by that name - because he used to stockpile the produce,
and it is forbidden to stockpile anything that is basic livelihood in Eretz
(c) The reason for this is - because it forces the prices up.
(d) Rebbi Chanina quoted the Pasuk from Tehilim "Zoru Resha'im me'Rechem"
concerning him - because he explains the Pasuk to mean that the Resha'im
became estranged (from their Father in Heaven) already from birth.