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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem

Ta'anis 2

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Please note that unless where otherwise indicated, we follow the explanation of Rashi.
Our notes and comments do not necessarily have a bearing on the practical Halachah.


(a) According to Rebbi Eliezer, we begin to mention rain from the first day of Sukos.
What is meant by mentioning rain?

(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

(c) Rebbi Yehoshua asked Rebbi Eliezer why one should begin to ask for rain on the first day of Sukos, when rain on Sukos is a curse.
What was his reply?

(d) How does Rebbi Yehoshua counter that?

(a) When, according to the Tana of our Mishnah, do we *ask* for rain?

(b) According to Rebbi Yehudah, is it the Ba'al Shachris or the Ba'al Musaf ...

  1. ... who begins mentioning rain on Shemini Atzeres?
  2. ... who stops mentioning rain on the first day of Pesach?
(c) We initially think that the Tana of our Mishnah took his cue from the Mishnah in B'rachos, which has already taught that we mention rain in 'Gevuros Geshamim', and ask for it in Birchas ha'Shanim.
On what grounds do we refute this contention?

(d) So from where *does* our Tana take his cue?

(a) Why does the Tana refer to the rain as 'Gevuros Geshamim'?

(b) There is no mention of 'Gevurah' in the Pasuk in Iyov which talks about rain. In that case, how does the Tana arrive at 'Gevuros Geshamim' from that Pasuk?

(c) From where do we learn that it is in *Tefilah* that we mention rain?

(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan tell us about the three keys? What are the three keys?

(b) Does this mean that Hashem never handed any of them to a Sh'liach (see Tosfos DH 'Sheloshah')?

(c) What did the B'nei Eretz Yisrael learn from the Pasuk in Tehilim "Posei'ach es Yadecha ... "?

(d) So why did Rebbi Yochanan not include the key to Parnasah in his list?

Answers to questions



(a) What is the difference whether Rebbi Eliezer learns the obligation to mention rain on the first day of Sukos from *Lulav* or whether he learns it from *Nisuch ha'Mayim*?

(b) Since when did Nisuch ha'Mayim take place at night-time?

(c) Rebbi Avahu concludes that Rebbi Eliezer learns it from Lulav. Some say from tradition; others, from a Beraisa.
On what basis does Rebbi Eliezer in the Beraisa learn the Hazkarah for rain from Lulav? What does he add to the Limud?

(a) In the same Beraisa, Rebbi Eliezer counters Rebbi Yehoshua's Kashya by comparing the prayer for rain to Techi'as ha'Meisim.
What is the gist of that comparison?

(b) According to Rebbi Eliezer, one is permitted to say 'Mashiv ha'Ru'ach' the whole year round if one so wishes.
What does Rebbi say?

(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira, one begins mentioning rain on the second day of Sukos.
What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(b) Whose opinion is Rebbi Yehudah quoting in our Mishnah, when he says that it is the Ba'al Musaf who begins saying 'Mashiv ha'Ru'ach' on Shemini Atzeres but the Ba'al Shachris who stops saying it on Pesach?

(a) How does Rebbi Yehoshua counter Rebbi Eliezer's proof from Techi'as ha'Meisim, that there is no harm in mentioning rain the whole year round?

(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Shmuel "ha'Lo K'tzir Chitim ha'Yom"?

(c) What does Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseirah learn from the extra letters in the Pesukim in Pinchas "ve'Niskeihe*m*" (on the second day of Sukos); "u'Nesach*e*ha" (on the sixth day): "ke'Mishpata*m*" (on the seventh)?

(d) What is Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira's source for starting Nisuch ha'Mayim (as well as Mashiv ha'Ru'ach) only from the *second* day of Sukos?

(a) What does Rebbi Akiva learn from "u'Nesacheha"?

(b) How does Rebbi Akiva know that the Pasuk refers to Nisuch ha'*Mayim* and not Nisuch ha*Yayin*?

(c) Then why does he not agree with Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira completely?

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