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by R. Nosson Slifkin
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafTa'anis 12
1) SPONTANEOUS FASTS
(a) (R. Chisda) A spontaneous fast is only valid if he fasted
2) ADVANCE ACCEPTANCE OF FASTS
1. Question (Abaye): Obviously that is a perfectly valid
and normal fast!?
(b) (R. Chisda) A fast is only valid if it lasts until
2. Answer: It refers to a case where after not having
eaten in the morning he spontaneously decided to
fast all day.
1. Question: A Mishnah says that the men of the Mishmar
would fast for only part of the day!?
2. Answer: They fast simply in solidarity with the
3. Question: We find that one family of Kohanim, when
Tishah b'Av was delayed until Sunday, only fasted
for part of the day, because that day was a festival
4. Answer: They, too, fasted simply in solidarity with
5. Question: R. Yochanan once declared that he would fast
until he arrived home!?
6. Answer: He said it only
to avoid having to eat with
(a) (Shmuel) Any fast that was not formally accepted from the
day before is not considered a fast.
3) EATING BEFORE A FAST
1. If he does fast, he is no better than a bellows full
(b) Question: When should he accept it?
(c) Answer (Rav): At the time of Minchah.
(d) Answer #2 (Shmuel): During the Minchah prayer.
1. (R. Yosef) Support for Shmuel can be seen in Megilas
Ta'anis which refers to someone being Yeyaser, which
presumably means committing himself during prayer.
2. Refutation: It means that he has become forbidden to
eat (but not necessarily through Tefilah).
3. R. Chiya and R. Shimon b. Rebbi argue over whether the
phrase says Yeyaser (meaning as explained) or
i. According to the latter, it is saying that if
someone accepted to fast on Monday and Thursday
all year, and the festive days of Megilas
Ta'anis coincided with one of these, then
whichever came first takes precedence.
(a) (Beraisa) Before a daytime fast, one may eat:
1. (Rebbi) Until daybreak.
(b) (Abaye) If he had finished his meal, all agree that he
may no longer eat..
2. (R. Eliezer bar Shimon) Until the rooster crows.
1. Question: We find that he may eat even after standing
after finishing his meal!?Answer: That is only where
the table was not removed from him.
(c) Alternate version: (Rava) If he slept, all agree that he
may no longer eat.
1. Question: We find that he may eat even after standing
after sleeping!?Answer: That is where he was only
2. Question: What is classified as dozing?
3. Answer (R. Ashi): It refers to someone who is
half-awake and not fully able to converse.
4) WEARING SHOES DURING FASTS
(a) (R. Kahana citing Rav) An individual who accepted a fast
is forbidden to wear leather shoes, in case he undertook
a Ta'anis Tzibur (a community fast).
5) REPAYING FASTS
(b) (Rabah bar R. Shiloh) In order to avoid this, he should
announce that he is accepting a Ta'anis Yachid (a private
(c) The Rabbanan told Rav Sheishes that other Rabbanan wore
shoes during a Ta'anis Tzibur.
1. He angrily replied, 'Perhaps they also eat!'
(d) Abaye and Rava would wear shoes without soles.
(e) Mareimar and Mar Zutra would switch their right and left
(f) The Rabbanan of Rav Ashi's Beis Hamedrash wore their
shoes as normal, because they held that the only Ta'anis
Tzibur in Bavel is Tishah b'Av.
(a) (R. Yehudah citing Rav) A person can eat on a voluntary
fast and repay it another day.
6) MISHNAH: LATER SERIES OF FASTS
(b) (Shmuel) He need not repay it, as it isn't a Neder; he
simply undertook to afflict himself, and if he can't do
it, it doesn't matter.
(c) Alternate version: (Shmuel) Obviously this is true, as it
is like a Neder which can be repaid on another day.
1. When R. Yehoshua b. R. Idi was offered steak at R.
Asi's house, he declined as he was fasting.
(d) A fast is as effective for negating a bad dream as fire
is for destroying flax.
2. They suggested that he repay the fast another day, in
accordance with the aforementioned teaching.
3. He replied that he was fasting because of a dream that
he had the previous night.
1. (R. Chisda) It must be done on the next day.
2. (R. Yosef) This is true even if the next day is
3. Question: How can he rectify having fasted on Shabbos?
4. Answer: He should fast again in repentance for it.
(a) If the series of fasts beginning on Rosh Chodesh Kislev
did not bring rain, Beis Din decree three further fasts
on the community.
7) FASTS AND ATZERES
1. People may only eat until nightfall, and are forbidden
from Melachah, washing, anointing, wearing leather
shoes, and marital relations, and the bath-houses
must be locked.
(b) If these fasts did not work, Beis Din decree a further
seven fasts on the community, totaling 13.
1. These have the extra features that the Shofar is blown
and the stores are closed.
(c) If these fasts did not work either, people must decrease
business, building, planting, betrothals, weddings, and
greetings, like people who have been excommunicated from
2. On Monday, the doors to the stores would be partially
opened before dark, and on Thursday, all day,
because of Shabbos.
(d) The select individuals would fast until the end of Nisan.
(e) If rain fell after Nisan had passed, it is a curse.
(a) Question: Why is Melachah forbidden - it is pain rather
(b) Answer: The Pasuk compares the day to Shemini Atzeres/
Shavuos, and it is likewise forbidden from Melachah.
(c) Question: Maybe it should likewise begin from the night
(d) Answer: The Pasuk says that the elders should be
gathered, which takes place by day; likewise, the Ta'anis
is only by day.
(e) Question: It should then begin at midday, when the elders
(f) Answer: This supports R. Huna's view that they would
gather in the morning.
1. During the morning, they would investigate the
spiritual affairs of the town; for the first half of
the afternoon, they would Leyn the Torah and
Haftorah, and for the rest of the afternoon, they
would pray for mercy, as we see in a Pasuk that they
did these things.
2. Question: Perhaps they did the reverse?
3. Answer: We see in another Pasuk that they did it in