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by R. Nosson Slifkin
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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1) NISUCH HA'MAYIM
(a) (R. Nosson) The Pasuk of "Hasech Nesech" alludes to two
Nisuchin, that of wine and that of water.
2) MENTIONING RAIN
1. Question: Perhaps they both refer to that of wine?
(b) Question: There is a Mishnah that speaks of Nisuch
ha'Mayim taking place all seven days of Sukos - who does
2. Question: If so, it would use the identical term
1. It can't be R. Yehoshua, as he would hold that it
was only done for one day.
(c) Suggested answer: It follows R. Yehudah b. Beseirah, and
he follows R. Yehudah's view that that Nisuch ha'Mayim
would take place all eight days; he follows it insofar as
saying that it took place until the eighth day, but
starting from the second, totalling seven days.
2. It can't be R. Akiva, as he would hold that it was
only done for two days.
3. It can't be R. Yehudah b. Beseirah, as he would hold
that it was only done for six days.
1. Question: But he discounts the first day because the
MaYiM allusion begins on the second day - yet it
finishes on the seventh day, so the Nisuch ha'Mayim
should finish then!?
(d) New answer: The Mishnah follows R. Yehoshua, and it is a
received Halachah that the Nisuch ha'Mayim takes place
all seven days.
1. The laws of ten scattered trees, Aravah, and Nisuch
ha'Mayim, are Halachos le'Moshe mi'Sinai.
(a) R. Yehudah, citing R. Yehoshua, said that on the last day
of Sukos, the Shaliach Tzibur for Musaf mentions the
rain, but not that of Shacharis; on the first day of
Pesach, the Shaliach Tzibur of Shacharis mentions the
rain, but not that of Musaf.
3) DEW AND WIND
(b) Question: Which R. Yehoshua is this?
1. It can't be R. Yehoshua of the Mishnah, as he said
that even the Shaliach Tzibur of Shacharis on the
last day would mention the rain.
(c) Question #2: Who is the ben Beseirah who is cited as
saying that the rains are mentioned from the last day of
2. It can't be R. Yehoshua of the Beraisa, as he said
that the rain is mentioned from when the Lulav is
put away, which is on the seventh day, not Shemini
1. It can't be R. Yehudah b. Beseirah, as he said that
it is mentioned from the second day of Sukos!
(d) Answer: They both refer to R. Yehoshua b. Beseirah.
1. He was referred to as b. Beseirah before he received
Semichah, and as R. Yehoshua afterwards.
(a) (Beraisa) There is no obligation to mention the dew and
the wind, although he can if he so desires.
(b) Question: Why is there no need to mention them?
(c) Answer: Because they are never withheld.
(d) Question: How do we know that dew is never withheld?
(e) Answer: Eliyah ha'Navi, after swearing that rain and dew
would be withheld from Achav, told him after it was
revoked that the rain would return - but the dew was
4) BENEFICIAL WEATHER
1. Question: Why, then, did Eliyahu swear that it would
(f) Question: How do we know that wind is never withheld?
2. Answer: He meant that dew of blessing would be
3. Question: Why, then, did he not say that the dew of
blesing would be returned?
4. Answer: As it wouldn't be noticeable.
(g) Answer: Hashem says that He has spread out Israel "as the
(h) This can't mean that He has made them live in all four
directions, as it would say *in* the four Ruchos.
(i) It must mean that just as the world cannot survive
without wind, so too it cannot survive without Israel.
1. Therefore, although if, in summer, he must start
again if he mentioned the rain, he need not start
again if he mentioned the wind.
(j) (Beraisa) He is not obligated to mention the clouds or
the wind, although he can if he so desires.
2. Similarly, although if, in winter, he must start
again if he did not mention the rain, he need not
start again if he did not mention the wind.
3. Even if he were to say that Hashem makes the wind
and dew go away, he wouldn't have to start again.
1. The reason that he need not mention them is that
they are never withheld.
(k) Question: Surely, as a Beraisa notes, the Pasuk says that
Hashem will stop the clouds and wind!?
(l) Answer: Clouds before the rain are not withheld, those
after it are; normal weak winds are not withheld,
unusually strong ones are.
1. Question: Surely unusually strong winds are
essential for winnowing?
2. Answer: It can be done with a sieve.
(a) (Beraisa) Clouds and wind are second in value to rain.
1. This refers to when they occur after rainfall.
(b) (R. Yehudah) Wind and clouds after rain are as beneficial
as rain; sunshine after rain is twice as beneficial.
2. Question: This means that they are beneficial - but
a Pasuk about a curse of the land turning to dust is
explained to refer to wind after rain!
3. Answer: Soft rain is beneficial; hard rain followed
by wind turns the ground to dust.
1. This excludes the glow after sunset and the sunshine
between the clouds.
(c) (Rava) Snow is as beneficial to the mountains as five
rainfalls for the land, as derived from a Pasuk.
(d) (Rava) Snow is good for the mountains, hard rain for the
trees, soft rain for the fruits, and Urpila (a drizzling
rain) helps even seeds under hard clods of earth.
1. Urpila is an acronym for Uru Pili, "Wake up, you
(e) (Rava) Young Torah scholars are like seeds under hard
clods of earth; as soon as they begin to sprout, they