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Sukah 5

SUKAH 5 - Dedicated by Martin Fogel on 20 Nisan, the Yahrzeit of his father (Yacov ben Shlomo Fogel).


(a) What does the Gemara prove from the Aron, which was nine Tefachim high plus the Tefach of the lid?

(b) How do we (initially) prove the height of a Sukah from the Aron? What other fact do we first need to know?

(c) How do we then explain the Pasuk in Yisro "va'Yeired Hashem al Har Sinai"?

(a) How do we know that neither Moshe nor Eliyahu actually entered Hashem's domain in Heaven?

(b) Then how will we explain the Pesukim which inform us that Moshe ascended to Hashem and Eliyahu to Heaven?

(c) And how will we explain Rav Tanchum, who explains a Pasuk in Iyov to mean that Moshe actually held on to Hashem's Throne?

(a) We said earlier that the Aron was ten Tefachim high.
Which nine Tefachim out of these does the *Torah* specify?

(b) From where do we learn that the height of the lid was one Tefach?

(c) We prefer not to learn it from the other Holy Vessels, because of the principle 'Tafasta Merubah Lo Tafasta ... '.
What does this mean?

(d) Why do we not learn the height of the lid from the Tzitz (which is even smaller than the Misgeres of the Shulchan - and would therefore be a case of 'Tafasta Mu'at, Tafasta)?

(a) What was the Tzitz made of, and how wide was it?

(b) According to the Tana Kama of the Beraisa, the four letters of Hashem's Name were written on one line, and 'Kodesh la' on the line below.
What did Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Yossi testify?

(c) What was the Zer and how wide was it?

(d) Which Vessels had one?

(a) The Gemara contends that we prefer to learn the lid of the Aron from the Misgeres, which is a Vessel, and not just a Hechsher K'li.
What does a 'Hechsher K'li' mean, as opposed to a K'li?

(b) Where would the Misgeres need to be fixed for it not to be a Hechsher K'li?

(c) The Gemara rescinds its previous reason for learning the height of the lid from the Misgeres, since it might also be a Hechsher K'li.
What ne reason does it finally give for learning the lid of the Aron from there, rather than from the Tzitz or from the Zer?

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(a) Rav Huna initially attempt to learn the width of the lid of the Aron from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "al *P'nei* ha'Kapores Kedmah".
How does he learn it from there?

(b) Why can we not compare the 'P'nei' here to the face of a Bar Yuchni (which is more than a Tefach)? What is a Bar Yuchni?

(c) In that case, we could certainly compare it to the face of a small bird, which would be a case of 'Tafasta Mu'at'. So we conclude that Rav Huna really learned it from a 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "P'nei" "P'nei".
From where does he learn this 'Gezeirah-Shavah'?

(d) Why then, can we not learn the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' from the Pasuk in va'Yishlach "ki'Re'os *P'nei* Elokim" - referring to Eisav's Angel?

(a) Why does Huna not learn the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "P'nei" "P'nei" from the Pasuk in Terumah "el ha'Kapores Yiheyu *P'nei* ha'Keruvim"? From where does Rav Huna finally learn the 'Gezeirah-Shavah'?

(b) What is the meaning of the word "Keruvim"?

(c) Then what does the Pasuk in Yechezkel mean when it writes "P'nei ha'Echad P'nei ha'Keruv, u'Pnei ha'Sheini, P'nei Adam"?

(a) What problem does the Gemara have with learning the height of a Sukah from the Aron, that causes it to retract from that source?

(b) What were the dimensions of the first Beis Hamikdash?

(c) How tall were the Keruvim?

(a) How high was the Mishkan in the desert?

(b) What do we learn from the first Beis Hamikdash that teaches us the height of the Keruvim?

(c) How do we now learn the height of a Sukah from the Pasuk in Terumah "ve'Hayu ha'Keruvim Porsei Chenafayim Lema'alah, Sochechim be'Chanfeihem al ha'Kapores"?

(d) How do we know that their wings were spread out ...

1. ... *above* their heads? Maybe they were spread out *level* with their heads (in which case, the ten Tefachim would have included their wings, and in the same way, the ten Tefachim of Sukah would include the S'chach - as we asked above)?
2. ... *immediately* above their heads and not *far* above them?
(a) This proof from the Aron is only valid according to Rebbi Meir, in whose opinion the Amos of the building, like those of the Vessels. consisted of *six* Tefachim.
According to Rebbi Yehudah, how many Tefachim did the Amos ...
  1. ... of the building comprise?
  2. ... of the Vessels comprise?
(b) Considering that according to him, the space between the wings of the Keruvim and the lid of the Aron was *eleven and a half* Tefachim, from where will he learn that the space of a Sukah must be a minimum of ten Tefachim?
(a) Which three things, according to Rav, are Halachah le'Moshe mi'Sinai?

(b) What does Rav Chanin mean when he says that the entire Pasuk of "Eretz Chitah u'Se'orah ... " (in Eikev) comes to teach us Shiurin, Chatziztin and Mechitzin? What does this teach us?

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