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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Shevuos 11
1) THE KEDUSHAH OF INCENSE
(a) Question (Rabah): If incense only has monetary Kedushah,
a Tevul Yom (one who immersed today, his will be fully
Tahor at nightfall) should not disqualify it!
2) "HEKDESH" BUYS ON CONDITION
1. (Beraisa): If incense was put in the grinder, if a
Tevul Yom touches it, he disqualifies it.
(b) Suggestion: Perhaps a Tevul Yom disqualifies things with
(c) Rejection (Mishnah): From the time a flour-offering is
Hukdash, Me'ilah applies to it; when it is put in a Kli
Shares (service vessel), it gets more Kedushah, it
becomes disqualified if a Tevul Yom or Mechushar Kipurim
(a person who was Tamei, and his Taharah will be complete
when he brings a sacrifice) touches it, or if left
1. These laws only apply after it was put in a Kli
Shares, not before!
2. Counter-question (Rav Chisda): If you will say that
incense has intrinsic Kedushah, it should be
disqualified if left overnight!
i. (Mishnah): Me'ilah applies to the following
from when they are Hukdeshu: the Kometz (the
handful taken from a Minchah and burned on the
Altar), frankincense, incense, the Minchah of a
Kohen, the daily Minchah of an anointed Kohen
Gadol, the Minchah that accompanies an animal
3. Answer (Rabah): Incense is different, the Torah
instructs to make it once for the entire year, so
mid'Oraisa it is not disqualified if left overnight
(Tosfos - until put in the pan in which it is
ii. After they are put in a Kli Shares, they are
disqualified if touched by a Tevul Yom or
Mechushar Kipurim, or if left overnight.
iii. Inference: Before they are put in a Kli Shares,
they are not disqualified if left overnight!
(a) Question: We still have not answered the question (4:b
Daf 10b - how can unblemished sacrifices (or incense) be
redeemed), did the Kedushah vanish?)!
(b) Answer (Rabah): When Beis Din (Hekdesh) purchases things
needed for the Avodah, it is on condition: anything that
is not needed, it should not have intrinsic Kedushah.
(c) Question (Abaye): But you yourself taught that if one is
Makdish a male animal to (sell it and use the money to)
buy an Olah, the animal gets intrinsic Kedushah!
(d) Answer (Rabah): That is because it was Hukdash for
something it itself is fitting for;
1. But if it was Hukdash to (sell it and use the money
to) buy Nesachim (the accompanying Minchah), for
which it is not fit, it does not get intrinsic
(e) Question (Abaye - Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If the (inner)
bull or goat of Yom Kipur was lost, and another was taken
in its place and the lost animal was found, we leave it
1. The same applies to goats brought for (a mistaken
ruling of the Sanhedrin that caused most of Yisrael
to transgress) idolatry.
(f) R. Elazar and R. Shimon say, it is left to graze until it
gets a blemish; it is redeemed, the money goes to Nedavah
(to buy communal Olah offerings to bring when the Altar
1. (If an individual's Chatas cannot be offered, it
must die, but) the congregation's Chatas is never
left to die.
(g) Answer (Rabah): These are uncommon sacrifices (and it is
rare that one would be lost), Hekdesh does not stipulate
2. Summation of question: If Hekdesh purchases things
for the Avodah on condition, we should redeem it
(h) Question (Abaye): It is uncommon that we will redeem a
red heifer because a nicer one was found, yet Hekdesh
stipulates about this!
1. (Beraisa): A red heifer is redeemed if it is
disqualified in any way, if it died, if it was
slaughtered (in the wrong place), or if a nicer red
heifer was found;
(i) Answer #1 (Rabah): The red heifer is different, since it
is Hekdesh Bedek ha'Bayis (it is not fit for the Altar),
even if Hekdesh did not stipulate, it can be redeemed
2. If it was slaughtered in the proper place (facing
the entrance to the Heichal), it may never be
1. Question: Why can it be redeemed after it died or
was slaughtered - we require that it is stood up and
(j) Answer #2 (Rabah): Rather, even though it is uncommon to
find a nicer red heifer, Hekdesh stipulates about this
because red heifers are very expensive.
2. Answer: The Beraisa is R. Shimon, who says that only
intrinsic Kedushah must be stood up and evaluated
(before redemption), not Bedek ha'Bayis.
3. Question (end of the Beraisa): If it was slaughtered
in the proper place, it may never be redeemed.
i. (Beraisa - R. Shimon): The red heifer receives
Tum'ah because there was a time when it was
fitting (to be eaten).
ii. (Reish Lakish): He holds that it was fitting
after slaughter, for if a nicer one was found,
we would have redeemed the first one. (This
contradicts the Beraisa!)
(k) (Beraisa): If a red heifer died (without slaughter), it
(l) Question: We do not redeem Kodshim to feed them to dogs!
(m) Answer (Rav Mesharshiya): It is redeemed for its skin.
(n) Question: Does Hekdesh make the Kedushah conditional just
so if it dies, we can redeem it for the skin?!
(o) Answer (Rav Kahana): Even the ear of an (expensive animal
such as a) camel is worthwhile.
(p) Question (Mishnah - Rabanan): If a goat designated for
one of these three atonements was lost, and it was found
after a substitute was offered - may the found goat be
used for another of the three atonements?
1. R. Shimon: Yes.
(q) Answer: R. Shimon holds that Hekdesh does not buy things
2. Rabanan: If it was originally designated for one
atonement, how can it atone for something else?!
3. R. Shimon: They all atone for Tum'ah in the Mikdash
or with Kodshim - this is essentially what it was
4. Summation of question: Why didn't R. Shimon answer
that when Hekdesh purchases things for the Avodah,
it is on condition?
1. (Rav Idi bar Avin): Unblemished lambs for the Tamid
that were not used by Nisan: R. Shimon forbids
redeeming them unblemished, Chachamim permit this.