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Sanhedrin 87

SANHEDRIN 87 - has been dedicated to the memory of Max (Meir Menachem ben Shlomo ha'Levi) Turkel, as his Yahrzeit (5 Teves) approaches, by his children Eddie and Lawrence, and his wife Jean Turkel/Rafalowicz.


(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk (in connection with a Zaken Mamrei) "Ki *Yipalei* Mimcha Davar"?

(b) What does the Tana mean when, based on the Pasuk in Nachum "Mimcha Yatza Yo'etz ... ", he explains ...

  1. ... "Mimcha", 'Zeh Yo'etz'?
  2. ... "Davar", 'Zeh Halachah'?
  3. ... "la'Mishpat", 'Zeh ha'Din'?
(c) Which three areas of Halachah does the Torah incorporate, when it writes ...
  1. ... "Bein Dam le'Dam"?
  2. ... "Bein Din le'Din"?
  3. ... "Bein Nega la'Naga"?
  4. ... "Divrei"? Which three areas of Kodshim does it incorporate?
(d) According to the Tana, "Rivos" refers to Hashka'as Sotah, Arifas Eglah Arufah and Taharas Metzora.
What do these three things have to do with "Rivos"?

(e) Which three things does "bi'She'arecha" incorporate?

(a) What does the Tana learn from ...
  1. ... "ve'Kamta"?
  2. ... "vela's"?
  3. ... "El ha'Makom"?
(b) What does Yirmiyah ha'Navi say about time to come? What will they ...
  1. ... no longer say?
  2. ... say instead?
(c) And what does the Tana learn from the Pasuk there "Ki-im Chai Hashem Asher He'elah ... es Zera Beis Yisrael me'Eretz Tzafonah u'mi'Kol ha'Aratzos Asher Hidachtam Sham"
(a) According to Rebbi Meir, a Zaken Mamrei is only Chayav for something that falls into the category of Zedono Kareis, ve'Shigegaso Chatas.

What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(b) Rebbi Shimon is the most stringent of them all.
What does he say?

(c) Rebbi Meir derives his opinion from a 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Ki Yipalei mi'Mecha *Davar*" from "ve'Ne'elam *Davar* me'Einei ha'Kahal" (Vayikra).
In what connection is the latter Pasuk written?

(d) How does ...

  1. ... Rebbi Yehudah derive his opinion from the Pasuk in Shoftim "al-Pi ha'Torah Asher Yorucha"?
  2. ... Rebbi Shimon derive his opinion from the Pasuk there "Asher Yagidu Lecha min ha'Makom ha'Hu"?
(a) What did Rav Huna bar Chinena ask Rava to explain to him?

(b) How did Rava react to his request?

(c) To explain 'Zeh Yo'etz', Rav Papa cited the Mishnah in Iduyos 'Hein (Rebbi Yehoshua and Rebbi Papayas) He'idu she'Me'abrim es ha'Shanah Kol Adar, she'Hayu Omrim ad Purim'.
How does this involve something that is 'Zedono Kareis ve'Shigegaso Chatas'?

(d) And to explain "Davar", 'Zeh Halachah', he cited the Machlokes (with regard to the tenth of the eleven days between Nidus and Nidus) between Rebbi Yochanan ('Asiri ki'Teshi'i') and Resh Lakish ('Asiri ke'Achad-Asar').
Which aspect of this is 'Halachah'?

(a) What is the difference between a Nidah and a Zavah (as regards seeing blood) is concerned?

(b) What will be the Din if a woman sees blood on ...

  1. ... the ninth day?
  2. ... the eleventh day?
(c) A woman who sees blood on the tenth day cannot become a Zavah Gedolah, because the twelfth day no longer belongs to the days of Zivus.
What will her status then be, should she see blood again on the eleventh day?

(d) What is now the Machlokes (according to one Lashon in the Sugya in Nidah)?

(e) In what way, does the Machlokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish (as well as that between the Zaken Mamrei and the Beis-Din) involve Kareis and a Chatas?

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(a) "Mishpat", 'Zeh ha'Din' (regarding a 'Gezeirah-Shavah', as we explained above).
What does Rava quoting Rav Yitzchak learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Heinah" "Heinah" and "Zimah" "Zimah, with which the Zaken Mamrei disagreed?

(b) And the bone of contention between him and the Beis-Din with regard to "Dam le'Dam" vis-a-vis Dam Nidah, revolves around the Machlokes between Akavya ben Mahalalel and the Rabbanan in the Mishnah in Nidah.
What sort of blood are they arguing about?

(c) Whereas with regard to Dam Leidah, it revolves around the Machlokes between Rav and Levi.
What does Rav mean when he says 'Ma'ayan Echad Hu'?

(d) According to Levi however, the two bloods are from two different sources.
What are the ramifications of their Machlokes?

(a) The Torah writes in Tazri'a with regard to the three sightings of Zivus "ve'Ishah Ki Yazuv Zov Damah Yamim Rabim".
What do we learn from the word "Damah"?

(b) In this context, the third Dam revolves around a Machlokes between Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua in another Mishnah in Nidah.
According to Rebbi Eliezer, we do not ascribe the blood to the birth, if there was a break of twenty-four hours (whenever they occur).
What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

(c) Is seeing blood the sole criterion for the Din of 'Shafsah' (the break)?

(a) We established 'Bein Din le'Din' by Diynei Mamon, Nefashos and Malkos. With regard to Diynei Mamon, they argue over the Machlokes between Shmuel and Rebbi Avahu. Shmuel holds 'Shenayim she'Danu, Dineihem Din'.
What does Rebbi Avahu say?

(b) How does this Machlokes involve Kareis and Chatas?

(c) And with regard to Diynei Nefashos, they argue over the Machlokes between Rebbi and the Rabbanan. Rebbi holds in the case of 'Niskaven La'harog es Zeh ve'Harag es Zeh', the murderer is Chayav to pay.
What do the Rabbanan say?

(d) How does this Machlokes involve Kareis and Chatas?

9) And regarding Malkos, they argue over the Machlokes between Rebbi Yishmael, who requires twenty-three Dayanim for Malkos, and the Rabbanan, who suffice with three.
How might this Machlokes lead to Kareis or a Korban Chatas?


(a) "Bein Nega la'Naga" comes to include the three kinds of Nega'im. The Machlokes between the Zaken Mamrei and Beis-Din by 'Nig'ei Adam is that of Rebbi Yehoshua and the Rabbanan. A Baheres requires two white hairs in the middle of it.
Which must come first for the Baheres to be Tamei?

(b) The Rabbanan maintain that a Safek is Tamei. Rebbi Yehoshua says 'Keiheh'.
How does Rava interpret 'Keiheh'? What is its significance?

(c) How might this Machlokes involve Kareis or Chatas?

(a) With regard to Nig'ei Batim, they argue over the Machlokes between Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon and the Rabbanan in the Mishnah in Nega'im (which we already discussed in 'ben Sorer u'Moreh'). Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon requires the Shiur of two Gerisin by one, on two bricks of two walls in the corner, where the two walls meet.
What do the Rabbanan say?

(b) How might this Machlokes involve Kareis or a Chatas?

(a) And regarding 'Nig'ei Begadim', they argue over the Machlokes between Rebbi Nasan ben Avtulmus and the Rabbanan.
What does Rebbi Nasan ben Avtulmus learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Karachas ve'Gabachas" (Nigei Begadim) from "Karachas ve'Gabachas" (Nig'ei Adam), regarding 'Perichah'?
What is Perichah?

(b) What do the Rabbanan hold?

(c) How would this Machlokes lead to Kareis or Chatas?

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