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Sanhedrin 80


(a) Rava therefore establishes our Mishnah as two different cases. The Reisha speaks in a case where the culprit is not known.
What is the case?

(b) And what does Rebbi Yossi now mean when he says 'Afilu Aba Chalafta'?

(c) In which case then, does Rebbi Yehudah ('Konsin Osan le'Kipah') argue?
What does the Tana Kama now hold?

(d) What is Rebbi Yehudah's reason?

(a) What does another Beraisa hold in a case where a Shor ha'Niskal gives birth to a calf ...
  1. ... before the conclusion of the Din?
  2. ... after the conclusion of the Din?
(b) The Tana Kama rules that, if the ox got mixed up with innocent oxen, and then they got mixed up with a second group of oxen (see Tosfos DH 'va'Acheros'), they are all taken to the Kipah, like Rebbi Yehudah).
What does Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon say?
(a) On what grounds does Rava rule that in a case where a pregnant cow gored someone and killed him, the baby, when it is born, cannot be brought as a Korban?

(b) What does Rava rule with regard to the same case, only where the cow did not gore someone, but was raped by him?

(c) In either case, why is the cow not then sentenced to death?

(d) What problem does this pose on the previous Beraisa?

4) Why can we not simply establish the Beraisa when the baby was not brought to Beis-Din at all?


(a) How do we therefore amend the Lashon 'Im ad she'Lo Nigmar Diynah, Yaldah ... '?

(b) This answer leaves us with a problem on the Seifa however, 'Im mi'she'Nigmar Diynah, Ibrah ve'Yaldah, V'ladah Asurah').
Which problem?

(c) What makes this a case of 'Zeh ve'Zeh Gorem'?

(d) How does Ravina therefore finally amend the Seifa?

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(a) What do we try and prove from our Mishnah 'Kol Chayvei Miysos she'Nisarvu Zeh ba'Zeh, Nidunin be'Kalah'?

(b) Rebbi Yirmiyah answers that the author of our Mishnah is the Chachamim of the Beraisa.
What does the Tana Kama of the Beraisa say there besides that Chayvei Miysos require 'Eidah, Eidim and Hasra'ah'?

(c) Rebbi Yehudah is more strict than the Tana Kama.
What does he say?

(d) The Tana Kama learns his opinion from the Mekoshesh, whose death was not even known at the time (as we explained earlier).
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(a) Our Mishnah discusses the Machlokes between the Tana Kama and Rebbi Shimon with regard to 'ha'Niskalin be'Nisrafin ... '.
How did Rav Yechezkel quote the Mishnah to his son Rav Yehudah (the Talmid of Rav)?

(b) What problem did Rav Yehudah have with his father's statement?

(c) What did Rav Yehudah say to his father in addressing the problem?

(d) How did he ...

  1. ... amend the statement to read?
  2. ... explain the Seifa, where the Chachamim state 'Yadunu bi'Sereifah, she'Sekilah Chamurah'? According to Rav Yehudah's version of the Reisha, one can now ask exactly the same Kashya here, that he asked there (The Tana could now have given the reason as the fact that the majority of the animals are 'Nisrafin')?
(a) Why did Shmuel rebuke his Talmid Rav Yehudah? What had he said wrong?

(b) According to the Tana of the Beraisa, how does one correct one's father?

(c) On what grounds do we reject even the original wording of the Beraisa 'Aba, Kach Kasuv ba'Torah'?

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