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Sanhedrin 69


(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the extra 'Vav' in the Pasuk in Kedoshim (in connection with a Shifchah Charufah) "ve'Ish ki Yishkav es Ishah ... "?

(b) How do we answer Abaye, who asks from there on Rabah, who maintains that a Katan cannot father children?

(c) How do we compare this to crops?

(a) What does Tana de'Bei Chizkiyah, who supports Rabah, learn from the Pasuk in Mishpatim "ve'Chi Yazid Ish" (even though this has nothing to do with the context [a murderer])?

(b) How does the Tana learn it from there? What should the Torah otherwise have written?

(c) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Toldos "va'Yazed Ya'akov Nazid"?

(a) How do we try and prove that a Katan can have children (like Rav Chisda) from Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael, who Darshens (by ben Sorer u'Moreh) "ben", 've'Lo Av'?

(b) Why can Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael not be referring to a case where the woman became pregnant after the boy turned bar-Mitzvah, and gave birth nine (or seven) months later? What did Rebbi K'ruspedai say that negates such a possibility?

(c) How did Rav Dimi, quoting the B'nei Ma'arva, interpret 've'Lo Av' of Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael, to answer the Kashya?

(d) How will Rav Chisda (who holds that a Katan can father children) explain "ben", 've'Lo Av' (See Maharsha on Rashi)?

(a) How do we reconcile Rebbi K'ruspedai with our Mishnah, which gives the maximum time-limit for a ben Sorer u'Moreh as when the pubic hair surrounds the Gid?

(b) What did Rebbi Shabsi say about a woman who is destined to have a seven-month pregnancy?

(c) What are the ramifications of this statement?

(d) How does Rebbi Ya'akov from Nehar Pakud quoting to Ravina in the name of Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua try to support Rebbi Shabsi's statement from Rebbi K'ruspedai?

(a) How did Ravina refute this proof? Why might we not absolve a ben Sorer u'Moreh already from two and a third months even assuming that the pregnancy of a woman who is destined to give birth after seven months, will show after two and a third months?

(b) What objections does Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua, based on the Pasuk in Masei "ve'Shaftu ha'Eidah, ve'Hitzilu ha'Eidah", raise to Ravina's refutation?

(c) How does Ravina answer Rav Huna B'rei de'Rav Yehoshua's Kashya from the Mishnah in 'Hayu Bodkin' 'Echad Omer be'Sheini ba'Chodesh, ve'Echad Omer 'bi'Sheloshah ba'Chodesh, Eidusan Kayemes'? What might the Tana otherwise have ruled?

(d) How does Rebbi Yirmiyah from Difti support Ravina from the Mishnah in Nidah (that we quoted in the previous Perek) 'bas Shalosh Shanim ... ve'Chayavin Alav Mishum Eishes Ish'? How does this prove that we follow the 'Rov' even to put someone to death?

(a) On what grounds do we reject the suggestion that 'Chayav' refers to ...
  1. ... a Korban (if they transgressed be'Shogeg)?
  2. ... where her father committed incest with her (which is not subject to the validity of the girl's Kidushin)?
(b) How do we finally refute Rebbi Yirmiyah from Difti's support for Ravina from this Mishnah? How might the Tana be speaking that will not invalidate the Kidushin, even if the girl does turn out to be an Aylonis?
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(a) The Beraisa cites a Machlokes Tana'im in the case of 'ha'Mesuleles bi'Venah Katan ve'He'erah Bah'. 'Ha'ara'ah is the first stage of Bi'ah (though its exact definition is subject to a Machlokes).
What is the meaning of 'ha'Mesuleles bi'Venah Katan'?

(b) According to Beis Shamai in the Beraisa, this disqualifies her from the Kehunah.
On what grounds is she Pasul? Why is she not Chayav Miysah?

(c) Beis Hillel validates her however.
According to Rav Chisda (or Ze'iri), over what age son are Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel arguing? From which age will Beis Hillel agree with Beis Shamai?

(d) What is the basis of their Machlokes? What is Beis Shamai's source for considering the Bi'ah of an eight-year old a Bi'ah?

(a) Bas-Sheva was the daughter of Eli'am.
Who was Eli'am's father?

(b) The Pasuk in Tehilim assures us that men of bloodshed and trickery will not live half their life-span.
At what age did ...

  1. ... Do'eg ha'Adomi die?
  2. ... Achitofel die?
(c) How many years after Shlomoh's birth did Avshalom ...
  1. ... kill (his half-brother, Amnon)?
  2. ... return to Yerushalayim from his exile?
(d) How many years did he remains in Yerushalayim without seeing father?
(a) That is when Avshalom's rebellion began.
What happened to Achitofel at that point?

(b) How do we initially prove from here that men could have children at the age of eight in those days?

(c) How do we repudiate this proof? How is it possible for Achitofel and Eli'am to have fathered their children at nine?

(d) And how do we prove that in any event, bas-Sheva must have given birth before the age of eight?

(a) Avram and Nachor married the daughters of their brother, Haran, Yiskah and Milkah respectively.
Who was Yiskah?

(b) She may have been called by that name, says Rebbi Yitzchak, because 'she saw with the Divine Spirit'.
What did Hashem once tell Avraham on account of that?

(c) What alternative explanation does Rebbi Yitzchak give to explain the name 'Yiskah'?

(d) What was the age gap between ...

  1. ... Avraham and Sarah?
  2. ... Avraham and Haran (assuming that the three brothers were born in the order that the Torah records them 'Avraham, Nachor and Haran')? What does this prove?
(a) How do we repudiate the proof from here that a man could father a child at the age of eight in biblical times? If Avraham was not the oldest, why does it mention him first?

(b) And we prove this from the sons of No'ach.
What is the problem with the Pasuk in No'ach "Shem ben Me'as Shanah va'Yoled es Arpachshad Shenasayim Achar ha'Mabul"?

(c) So what do we prove from this Pasuk?

(d) What did Rav Z'vid from Neherda'a say to Rav Kahana, when he repeated this to him? From where did *he* prove that Shem was not the oldest son of No'ach?

(a) How old was Kalev at the episode with the spies?

(b) What was his relationship with ...

  1. ... Efrat? Who was Efrat better known as?
  2. ... Chur?
(c) What was Chur's relationship with Betzalel?

(d) How old was Betzalel when he built the Mishkan (a year before the spies were sent)?

(a) How do we ultimately prove from here that men were able to father children at the age of eight in those days?

(b) We learned in our Mishnah "Ben", 've'Lo Bas'.
What does Rebbi in a Beraisa comment on this?

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