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Sanhedrin 62

SANHEDRIN 62 - has been dedicated by Family Posen of Jerusalem & London to honor the Yahrzeit on 3 Kislev of their father, Reb Moshe ben Yehoshua (Frank) Posen Z"L, who completed Shas learning Dafyomi. He insisted on continuing with his Kevi'us until his very last day.


(a) What was Rebbi Yochanan's response, when Rebbi Zakai quoted a Beraisa 'Zivach, Kiter, Nisach ve'Hishtachavah be'He'elam Echad, Eino Chayav Ela Echad'?

(b) According to Rebbi Aba, Rebbi Zakai's Beraisa is subject to a Machlokes Tana'im in another Beraisa.
What does Rebbi Yossi mean there when he says 'Hav'arah le'La'av Yatzas'?

(c) Rebbi Nasan holds 'Hav'arah le'Chalek Yatzas'.
Seeing as the Torah mentions only Hav'arah, how will we know that the Chiyuv extends to each of the other Melachos?

(d) Who will then be the author of Rebbi Zakai's Beraisa?

(a) Rav Yosef queries this however? On what grounds might we not be able to compare Avodah-Zarah to Shabbos? Based on another Beraisa of Rebbi Yossi, why is it specifically by Shabbos that Rebbi Yossi might learn 'Azharah le'La'av Yatzas'?

(b) In the Parshah of Chatas in Vayikra, the Torah writes "ve'Asah me'Achas me'Heinah".
What could the Torah have written in brief? How does this leave us with four D'rashos, all pertaining to Shabbos?

(c) Explaining Rebbi Yossi, how does Rebbi Yonasan interpret ...

  1. ... ''me'Achas" (assuming that "Achas" refers to a complete Melachah such as writing the name 'Shimon')?
  2. ... "me'Heinah" (assuming that "Heinah" refers to an Av Melachah)?
(d) And if 'Achas she'Hi Heinah' refers to Zadon Shabbos ve'Shigegas Melachos (Chiluk Melachos [for which one has to bring a Korban for each Melachah]), what does 'Heinah she'Hi Achas' refer to?
(a) How will Rav Yosef's Kashya explain why Rebbi Yochanan told Rebbi Zakai to take his Beraisa outside?

(b) On what grounds do we query Rav Yosef's observation? Why might the D'rashos from "me'Achas me'Heinah" apply equally to Avodah-Zarah as to Shabbos?

(c) Does this signify that Rebbi Zakai's Beraisa will now be justified (see Maharsha DH 've'Su Lo Midi')?

(a) We suggest that "Achas" refers to the cutting of the Chatas Beheimah's two pipes, and "me'Achas" includes the cutting of one. Since when is the cutting of one pipe a Kasher Shechitah?

(b) If "Heinah" refers to the Avos (such as Zivu'ach, Kitur, Nisuch and Hishtachavayah), "me'Heinah" refers to Toldos.
What would be an example of Toldos?

(c) And if 'Achas she'Hi Heinah' refers to Zadon Avodas-Kochavim and Shigegas Avodos (Chiluk Avodos), what does 'Heinah she'Hi Achas' refer to?

(d) This latter case cannot be speaking about a case where the sinner prostrated himself before a Shul or before an idol (as we explained earlier).
How will we establish it, according to ...

  1. ... Abaye?
  2. ... Rava?
(a) Which She'eilah did Rava himself once ask Rav Nachman with regard to 'He'elam Zeh ve'Zeh be'Yado'?

(b) Then why can we not resolve it from Rava's current explanation?

(c) On what basis do we finally refute the suggestion that the Pesukim "me'Achas me'Heinah" can possible be speaking about Avodah-Zarah?

(d) So we finally learn Chiluk Avodos by Avodah-Zarah from Hishtachavayah like Rav Yosef.
Does this mean that Rebbi Zakai's Beraisa is proved wrong?

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(a) According to Rav Shmuel bar Yehudah, the Beraisa that Rebbi Zakai cited in front of Rebbi Yochanan was quite different than the one we cited earlier.
Which Chumra does the Tana ascribe to Shabbos over other Mitzvos?

(b) And what does he say about Shagag be'Lo Miskaven?

(c) What problem do we have with the Reisha if we assume that the Tana is speaking about a case of ...

  1. ... someone who reaped and ground in one He'elam on Shabbos?
  2. ... someone who ate Cheilev twice in one He'elam?
(d) We Initially think that this is why Rebbi Yochanan instructed Rebbi Zakai to take the Beraisa outside. We resolve Rebbi Zakai however, by establishing the Beraisa by 'Ketzirah u'Techinah', whereas the equivalent case by other Mitzvos speaks by Avodah-Zarah, according to Rebbi Ami.
What does Rebbi Ami say?
(a) We cannot establish the Seifa, which obligates 'Shagag be'Lo Miskaven' by Avodas-Kochavim, because we have difficulty in establishing the case (in the same way as we discussed earlier). We could establish it by Ahavah and Yir'ah according to Abaye.
What problem do we have in establishing it by 'Omer Mutar', according to Rava, based on Rava's She'eilah 'He'elam Zeh ve'Zeh be'Yado Mahu' (that we quoted earlier)? What was Rava asking Rav Nachman there?

(b) How will we establish 'Shagag be'Lo Miskaven' (Mis'asek) by other Mitzvos?

(c) What will be the equivalent case by Shabbos?

(a) The Chiyuv of Mis'asek by Chalavim and Arayos is based on a statement of Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel.
What reason did he give for their being Chayav?

(b) Why is Mis'asek Patur by Shabbos?

(c) Seeing as it is possible to establish the Reisha of Rebbi Zakai's Beraisa by Avodas-Kochavim, and the Seifa by other Mitzvos, why did Rebbi Yochanan instruct Rebbi Zakai to take the Beraisa outside?

(d) What did Rebbi Yochanan say about establishing the Reisha of the Mishnah in Hamafkid like Rebbi Yishmael, and the Seifa, like Rebbi Akiva?

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