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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous dafRosh Hashanah 18
ROSH HASHANAH 17 & 18 (8, 9 Av) - these Dafim have been dedicated by Rabbi
Eli Turkel of Ra'anana, Israel, to the memory of his father, Reb Yisrael
Shimon ben Shlomo ha'Levi Turkel (Yarhzeit: 10 Av).
(a) Two people who were equally sick or who were accused of committing
exactly the same crime, prayed to Hashem. The reason that the prayers of one
of them are answered and the prayers of the other are not, according to
Rebbi Meir - is because the former Davened with Kavanah, whereas the latter
(b) Rebbi Elazar answers that the former must have prayed *before* the
decree was sealed, whilst the later prayed *afterwards*, when it was too
late - Rebbi Yitzchak (who presumably will answer the Kashya like Rebbi
Meir) says that Tefilah is always effective, even *after* the decree has
(c) Rebbi Elazar (like whom Rebbi Yochanan holds) will establish the Pasuk
in Yirmiyah, where the Navi writes that even with regard to a community,
Teshuvah (and Tefilah) cannot alter the final decree - by a decree which is
accompanied by an oath (which cannot be altered through Teshuvah or Tefilah.
(d) Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeini Amar Rebbi Yonasan learns from the Pasuk in
Shmuel "Lachein Nishba'ati le'Veis Eli, Im Yiskaper Avon Beis Eli be'Zevach
u've'Minchah" - that the decree issued to Beis Eli cannot be rescinded.
(a) Rabah infer from the words "be'Zevach u've'Minchah" - that although the
decree of Beis Eli cannot be rescinded through Korbanos, it can be rescinded
(b) Abaye says that it can be rescinded through Torah and through acts of
(c) The respective opinions of Rabah and Abaye (who were both descendants of
Eli ha'Kohen) reflect their own respective destinies - because Rabah, who
studied a lot of Torah, lived until the age of forty; whereas Abaye, who in
addition, performed many acts of Chesed, lived until sixty.
(d) Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai advised the family who were all dying by the
age of eighteen to - study a lot of Torah. They subsequently lived longer.
(a) The Pasuk "ka'Hashem Elokeinu be'Chol Kor'einu Eilav" - refers to
prayers of a community; whereas the Pasuk "Dirshu Hashem be'Himatz'o" -
refers to those of an individual.
(b) "be'Himatz'o" - means the ten days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipur.
(c) Naval (who was guilty, not only of gross ingratitude towards David, but
also of insulting him) was given ten days grace before he succumbed to his
illness, according to Rav - because of the ten meals he gave David's
messengers (one per messenger).
(d) According to Rabah bar Avuhah - those ten days were the ten days between
Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kipur (the grace given to an individual in which to do
(a) We learned in our Mishnah, that on Rosh Hashanah, all the creatures in
the world pass before Hashem like 'B'nei Meron'. Some interpret this to mean
like sheep - the sheep that were led single file through a narrow passage,
to be Ma'asered.
(b) According to Resh Lakish, 'B'nei Meron' means like the narrow steps of
Beis Meron (or Choron) - Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel explains it to mean like
the soldiers in David Hamelech's army.
(c) All these explanations have in common - the fact that the leading, the
climbing and the counting, were all done one by one (which is how Hashem
judges everyone in the world on Rosh Hashanah). Nevertheless, comments Rabah
bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan, they are all judged with one glance.
Note: These three illustrations seem to symbolize the three categories which
we discussed earlier: The sheep going to be slaughtered symbolize the
Resha'im, the dangerous ascent (which one needs to climb with particular
care), the Beinonim, and the soldiers of Beis David, who fight the battles
of Hashem, the Tzadikim.
(d) We prove Rebbi Yochanan's comment from the Pasuk quoted in our Mishnah
"ha'Yotzer Yachad Libam ... " - because, the Pasuk cannot mean that, after
creating the world, Hashem unified their hearts to serve Him, since that is
simply not true; it must therefore refer to the previous Pasuk (which speaks
about supervising the whole world), and means that the Creator examines all
their hearts in one glance.
(a) The function of the Sheluchim, who did not travel on Shabbos - was to
inform the people who lived in Galus, on which day the Beis-Din in Eretz
Yisrael had fixed Rosh Chodesh.
In the time of the second Beis Hamikdash - the Sheluchim would go out in the
month of Iyar too, because of Pesach Sheini.
(b) They did not go out at all in the months of Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Mar-
Cheshvan, Teives and Sh'vat. They went out in Nisan - because of Pesach; in
Av - because of Tish'ah-be'Av; in Elul - because of Rosh Hashanah; in Tishri
- because of Yom Kipur, Sukos, and Shemini Atzeres; in Kislev - because of
Chanukah, and in Adar - because of Purim.
(c) They did not need to go out in the month of Sivan - because Shavu'os was
fixed at forty-nine days after the second day of Pesach.
(d) The B'nei Golah observed Rosh Hashanah - on the thirtieth day of Elul
(because in the vast majority of cases, Elul was a short month).
(a) Initially, we interpreted the Pasuk in Zecharyah "Tzom ha'Revi'i ...
Yiheyeh ... le'Sason u'le'Simchah" to mean that when there is peace, the
fast-days become days of celebration, and when there is not, they remain
full fast-days. Rav Papa however, creates three levels from this Pasuk - by
dividing the second category into two: when the nations of the world issue
evil decrees against us, they are full fast-days, but when they do not, then
fasting on them is voluntary, depending upon whether the people want to fast
(b) That explain why the Sheluchim do not go out in Tamuz and Teives (for
the respective fast-days that occur then) - because, seeing as fasting was
not obligatory anyway, Beis-Din did not trouble the Sh'luchim to go out.
(c) They nevertheless did go out in the month of Av - because so many
terrible things happened then (predominantly, the destruction of the Beis-
Hamikdash, which even happened twice on the same day).
(a) Zecharyah refers to "Tzom ha'Revi'i, ve'Tzom ha'Chamishi, Tzom
ha'Shevi'i and Tzom ha'Asiri".
According to the Beraisa, on ...
1. ... "Tzom ha'Revi'i" - the walls of Yerushalayim were breached (on the
ninth - see Tosfos DH 'Zeh').
(b) Yishmael ben Nesanyah killed Gedalyah ben Achikam.
2. ... "Tzom ha'Chamishi" - the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed (on the ninth).
3. ... "Tzom ha'Shevi'i" - Gedalyah was murdered (on the third).
(c) From the fact that Chazal fixed a fast-day to commemorate his death - we
learn that the day on which a Tzadik dies is compared to the burning of the
(a) According to Rebbi Akiva, "Tzom ha'Asiri" refers to *Asarah* be'Teives -
According to Rebbi Shimon, it refers to the *fifth*, when news reached the
ears of the exiles that Yerushalayim was destroyed.
(b) Rebbi Shimon prefers *his* own explanation to that of his Rebbe, Rebbi
Akiva - because according to *his* explanation, Yirmiyah ha'Navi lists the
fast-days in their chronological order; whereas according to Rebbi Akiva,
the last to be mentioned (Asarah be'Teives), was the first to occur.
(c) According to Rebbi Akiva, it put "Tzom ha'Asiri" last - because it is
the last of the *months* listed (even though it is not the last *event*).
(a) Megilas Ta'anis - is a book that listed all the dates on which miracles
happened to the Jews in Eretz Yisrael, and on which it was forbidden to
(b) Rav and Rebbi Chanina hold that Megilas Ta'anis became Batel. Their
source for this - is the Pasuk in Zecharyah which we quoted earlier, and
from which we derived that when the Beis Hamikdash is destroyed, the days of
rejoicing become fast-days, incorporating these days too.
(c) Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi (who hold that it did *not*
become Batel) reject the proof from 'Ein Shalom, Tzom' - on the grounds that
Zecharyah was only referring to the days that were connected with the
destruction of the Beis Hamikdash, but not to other days, which remain
Yamim-Tovim even after the Churban.
(a) When the Rabbanan decreed a fast-day on Chanukah, Rebbi Eliezer took a
bath and Rebbi Yehoshua had a haircut - then they both told the Rabbanan
that they were obligated to fast for having fasted on a day when fasting was
(b) Rav Yosef initially resolve this Beraisa according to Rav and Rebbi
Chanina, who hold that Megilas Ta'anis is Batel (and it should therefore be
permitted to fast on all the days listed in Megilas Ta'anis) - by stating
that Chanukah was different, seeing as it was a Mitzvah to celebrate.
(c) What does that mean, it was a Mitzvah to celebrate, asks Abaye? If
Megilas Ta'anis is Batel, then there is no Chanukah and there is no Mitzvah!
(d) What Rav Yosef really said was - that Chanukah is different, because the
miracle was widely publicized (and did therefore become Batel even according
to Rav and Rebbi Chanina).
(a) When the Malchus Chashmona'im overcame the Greeks - they decreed that
the Name of Hashem (which the Greeks had forbidden to be mentioned) should
even be included in documents.
(b) On the third of Tishri - the Chachamim (who objected vehemently to the
Chashmona'im's decree) succeeded in persuading the Chashmona'im to nullify
their decree. That was considered a miracle (see Agados Maharsha), and
resulted in that day being included in Megilas Ta'anis.
(c) Assuming that this Beraisa speaks after the Churban - we ask that, if,
as Rav and Rebbi Chanina maintain, Megilas Ta'anis became Batel i.e. the old
Yamim-Tovim became obsolete, how could Chazal introduce new ones?
(d) We ask that, if, as we currently assume, the Beraisa speaks in the time
of the Beis Hamikdash, then it would anyway have been forbidden to fast on
the third of Tishri - because that is Tzom Gedalyah, and Tzom Gedalyah in
the time of the Beis Hamikdash, was a Yom-Tov.