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Pesachim 86

PESACHIM 86 - has been kindly dedicated by Reb Shimon Bernstein of Boro Park, N.Y.


(a) Rav quotes Rebbi Chiya that 'k'Zeisa Pischa, ve'Halela Paka Igra'!
What exactly, did he mean?

(b) How do we reconcile this with Rav's own statement (i.e. that the rooms and attics were not sanctified) - so how could they possibly eat the Pesach on the roof?

(c) How does Rav reconcile this with the Mishnah later 'Ein Maftirin Achar ha'Pesach Afikoman'?

(a) Aba Shaul ascribes more sanctity to the attics above the Kodshei Kodshim than to the Kodshei Kodshim itself.
How will Rav (who just said that the roofs and the attics were not sanctified) explain this statement? From where does he know to make this distinction?

(b) In which way are the attics above the Kodshei Kodshim more sanctified than the Kodshei Kodshim itself?

(c) How will Rav explain the Mishnah in Ma'ser Sheni, which rules that rooms that are built in the Azarah, but which open to the Har ha'Bayis, are Chol, and *their roofs, Kodesh*?

(a) In that case, the Seifa of the Mishnah 'Benuyos be'Chol, u'Pesuchos la'Kodesh, Tochon Kodesh ve'Gagosehem Chol' must also be speaking when the roof is level with the Azarah.
How will we reconcile this (i.e. Tochon Kodesh) with Rebbi Yochanan, who maintains that the tunnels (below ground level) were not sanctified?

(b) But did Rebbi Yehudah not say in a Beraisa that even the tunnels underneath the Heichal were not sanctified either?

(c) The Gemara asks on Rav (like we asked on his above from Aba Shaul - in 2a) from the Seifa of Rebbi Yehudah 've'Gago Kodesh'.
Why can we not answer that the roofs of the Heichal, like the attics, are different?

(d) Even without Rebbi Yochanan, the Gemara retorts, we will have to reconcile the Seifa of Rebbi Yehudah with the Beraisa, which prohibits the eating of Kodshei Kodshim and the Shechitah of Kodshim Kalim on the roofs. How do we do this (and automatically, the Kashya on Rebbi Yochanan, too)?

(a) What purpose did the two 'Amos' that were placed in the room above the gates of the Heichal, serve?

(b) Why did they find it necessary to add to the Amah of Moshe?

(c) And why did they need *two* Amos, one half an Etzba more than Moshe's, the other, one Etzba more?

(d) We learnt in our Mishnah that the windows in the walls and the tops of the walls of the Azarah were also sanctified.
The windows in the walls could well have the same level as the floor of the Azarah; but how is this possible by the tops of the walls.

(a) Is one permitted to divide one Pesach into two groups, according to the Tana of our Mishnah?

(b) If two groups are eating in one room, each facing a different direction (which has the Din of a Mechitzah), may they share the same hot-water urn (used to dilute the wine)?

(c) If the two groups share a common waiter, what must he do, when, while chewing a piece of Korban Pesach, he gets up and walks across to the middle to dilute wine from the urn?

(d) What concession does a bride enjoy in a group who is eating the Pesach?

(a) How does Rebbi Yehudah, the author of our Mishnah, explain the Pasuk in Bo ...
  1. ... "Al ha'Batim Asher *Yochlu* *Oso* *Bahem*"?
  2. ... "ba'Bayis Echad Ye'achel"?
(b) What problem does a waiter now face, if by mistake, he places a piece of Pesach in his mouth whilst he is roasting it in the oven?

(c) What would an astute waiter do if that happened?

(d) What would the other members of his group do if they were sufficiently sensitive to his predicament?

(a) Rebbi Shimon disagrees with Rebbi Yehudah.
How does he explain ...
  1. ... "Al *ha'Batim* Asher *Yochlu* *Oso* Bahem"?
  2. ... "ba'Bayis Echad Ye'achel"?
(b) Rebbi Shimon holds 'Yesh Eim le'Mikra', Rebbi Yehudah, Yesh Eim li'Mesores.
What does this mean in our context?
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(a) If a group of people are sitting eating their Pesach and someone puts up a Mechitzah in the middle, according to Rebbi Yehudah, they may continue eating.
Why is that?

(b) What will Rebbi Shimon hold?

(c) What will be their respective opinions if the dividing-wall between two groups were to fall down?

(d) All this is the opinion of Rav Kahana.
What does Rav Ashi say?

(a) Why did Rav Huna bar Nasan ...
  1. ... refer to himself as *Rav*?
  2. ... not decline when Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, his host, offered him a couch on which to recline?
  3. ... accept the honor of Bensching immediately when his host offered it to him?
  4. ... pause in the middle of drinking the cup of Berachah?
  5. ... not turn his face whilst drinking?
(b) The Tana Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi drank a cup of wine without pausing in the middle. He gave three reasons for that.
What were they?

(c) What is someone called if he drinks a regular cup of strong wine ...in

  1. ... in one gulp?
  2. ... in three gulps?
(a) How many members of a group must be sitting at table (not necessarily on Seder-night) before the waiter is obligated to start serving them?

(b) Is he permitted to refuse to continue to serve the one or two who remain at the end of the meal?

(c) Under which two conditions do these Dinim apply?

(d) One is obligated to tip the waiter (see Tosfos).
Is the last person obligated to pay more?

***** Hadran Alach, 'Keitzad Tzolin'! *****

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