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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
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Pesachim 86

Pesachim 81 - 95: We are grateful to Mr. Mark Frankel of Queens, N.Y. for suggesting the idea of "Point by Point Summaries" and sponsoring its initial two weeks -- Tizkeh l'Mitzvos!


(a) The rooftops and upper floors were not sanctified.
(b) Question [R. Chiya]: But we learned that they went up to the roofs to eat the Pesach!?
(c) Answer: They went up to say Hallel.
(d) Question: The Mishna teaches that we are not permitted to separate from the place of eating the Pesach?
(e) Answer: That is only during the eating.
(f) Question: But we learned that there *is* Kedushah to the upper story in the case of the Kodeshei Kodoshim!?
(g) Answer: From the Pasuk we see that this Kedushah is restricted to the Heichal, and not to all of Jerusalem.
(h) Question: But we find that the roofs of the upper rooms above the Azarah facing Har HaBayis *were* Kadosh!?
(i) Answer: Those rooms were sunken such that their roofs were level with the Azarah.
(j) Question: The Seifa speaks of rooms on Har HaBayis which open to the Azarah as having Kedushah, which they should not have, given that they are underground.
(k) Answer: The "underground" exemption is only for rooms which open to Har HaBayis, not the reverse.
(l) Question: Why should the tunnels be Chol (since, presumably, they open to the Azarah)?
(m) Answer: These are tunnels that were open to Chol.
(n) Question: Why does the Bereisa teach that the roofs were Kodesh.
1. Question: We find that the rooftops were not Kodesh!?
2. Answer: Now you have a contradiction since one Bereisa teaches that the rooftops of the Heichal were Kodesh and one that they were not?
(o) Answer: That was only for specific utensils.
1. The utensils were two rulers.
2. These were stored in the corners of the roof.
3. One was larger than the other, and both were larger than that of Moshe.
(i) The different lengths were used to avoid Me'ilah.
(ii) Question: Why *two* such longer rulers?
(iii)Answer: The shorter of the two was for valuable materials; the longer for building.
(p) Question: The tops of the walls were Kadosh, indicating that the roofs *were* Niskadesh!?
1. The windows could easily have been on the same level as the floor.
2. The tops of the walls must have been higher, like roofs.
(q) Answer: The tops of the walls refer to lower, inner walls, on the same level as the floor of the Azarah.
(a) Two groups eating in one house are permitted to turn away from one another as well as having the wine dispenser between them.
(b) The attendant must close his mouth when eating from one group while serving the other.
(c) A Kallah is also permitted to turn away from her group.
(a) R. Yehudah taught that the Korban can be split to two Chaburos.
1. One person may not eat from two Chaburos.
2. If an attendant ate near the oven he should continue eating there, and the others should, ideally, join him there.
(b) R. Shimon taught that while the original eating of the Korban must be in one house, an individual may continue in another house.

(c) The basis for their dispute is how to interpret the word "will be eaten."
1. R. Yehudah gives priority to the tradition.
2. R. Shimon gives priority to the word as it is read.
(d) A test case is where a Mechitzah was placed which divided a group.
1. The one who permits the Pesach to be eaten by two Chaburos, it is fine, however;
2. The one who prohibits would not allow this, either.
(e) Another case is where a Mechitzah was removed between two groups.
1. The one who permits a person to move his eating, would permit them to continue, however;
2. The one who prohibits, would consider this to be a move.
3. R. Kehane learned this case as determined.
4. R. Ashi learned this case as an unanswered question.
(a) She sits this way out of embarrassment.
(b) Rav Huna visited the home of R. Nachman b. Yitzhok.
1. He introduced himself as *Rav* Huna.
2. He immediately accepted the offer of a respected seat.
3. He similarly accepted the cup offered him.
4. He drank the cup in two gulps, and in full view.
5. When asked why he introduced himself as Rav, he said that he "owned that name."
6. When asked why he sat right down, he said that one must abide the wishes of the host.
7. When asked why he accepted the cup straightaway, he said that one does not decline the offer of a great person.
8. When asked why he drank it in two sips, he taught that one is guzzling, two is proper and three is haughty.
9. When asked why he drank in full view, he said that the Mishna speaks of a Kallah turning aside, not a man.
(c) R. Yishmael b. R. Yosi visited R. Shimon b. R. Yosi.
1. He immediately accepted the cup and drank it in one go.
2. When asked why he did not pause in his drinking he explained that it does not apply to such small cups, to sweetened wine and to one with a wide girth.
(a) If only one or two of three diners have arrived, the Shamash need not serve them until the third arrives.
(b) As they finish their meals, each may leave and the Shamash must continue to serve the remaining individuals.
(c) Rabah qualifies that this is only if the delay is not excessive nor intentional and that they notified the Shamash of their intention to leave one at a time.
(d) Ravina qualifies that they must pay his additional wages and that the last to leave must add to his wage (and the Halachah does not follow Ravina).

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