POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafPesachim 85
Pesachim 81 - 95: We are grateful to Mr. Mark Frankel of Queens, N.Y. for
suggesting the idea of "Point by Point Summaries" and sponsoring its initial
two weeks -- Tizkeh l'Mitzvos!
1) A BONE WITHOUT A KAZAYIS OF MEAT [continued]
(a) Answer: The Bereisa is prohibiting breaking a bone with a Kazayis
of meat either upon it or within it (marrow).
2) TUMAS PIGUL AND NOSAR
(b) A Bereisa is brought to support this explanation (and to reject
the application of Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh to breaking the bone).
(c) Question: Why should we need the procedure of scraping in the
coming Mishna, it should suffice to scrape off enough to allow us
to break the bone?
(d) Answer #1 [Abaye]: We are concerned for damaging other parts.
(e) Answer #2 [Ravina]: Because of [the marrow within the] Kulis.
(a) Pigul and Nosar cause Tumas Yadayim.
1. Rav Huna said it is on account of suspicion (referring to
(b) Question: Is there a similar Tumah applied to a Korban Yotzei?
2. Rav Chisda said it is on account of laziness (referring to
3. One learns the amount as Kazayis, drawing from Issur.
4. One learns the amount as Kebeitzah, drawing from Tumah.
1. Do we apply the concerns of Nosar to Yotzei?
(c) Answer: The Mishna implies that it does not apply to Yotzei.
2. Perhaps those concerns do not apply to the active Yotzei?
1. We learned that the meat may be scraped off a Yotzei.
(d) Rejection: The connection is hidden Tumah.
2. If the Tumah applied, we could not eat the adjoining meat!
(e) Question: According to Ravina, the parts of the meat are
considered separate and are then touching, causing visible
(f) Answer: Rather, the one who learns Kazayis speaks where the
amount which was Yotzei is less than that, and the one who learns
the amount as Kebeitzah learns that the amount was less than
(g) Question: We see from the Bereisa that the Gezeirah does *not*
apply to Yotzei.
1. It is prohibited to remove a Korban Pesach from one group to
(h) Answer: No, it is Tahor and permitted.
2. This results in the Korban being Tahor, presumably, even
though it is invalidated by being Yotzei!
(i) Question: But we later learn that one who does so violates a Lav?
1. The one who learns the amount as a Kebeitzah can say that
the Gezeirah only applies to that amount, but the
prohibition applies even to a Kazayis.
(j) Answer: The original question was regarding Yotzei by all other
2. What, however, will the one who learns Kazayis do?
1. The Gezeirah does not apply to members of the Pesach group,
who are careful.
2. The new question remains unanswered.
3) THE SOURCE FOR YOTZEI BY KORBAN PESACH
(a) Question: What is the source for the Issur of Yotzei from one
Chaburah to another?
4) MISHNA: A BONE THAT WAS "YOTZEI"
(b) Answer: "Lo Sotzi"
1. Question: That is stated as being from the house; what about
from one Chaburah to another?
(c) [R. Ami] One who takes out the Korban Pesach from one group to
another violates the Lav only once he sets it down, similar to
the Meleches Hotza'ah of Shabbos.
2. Answer: "Chutzah"
(d) Question: But we find the term "Yotzei" applying even to cases
where the item is *not* set down (e.g. the Parim HaNisrafim)!?
(e) Answer: The items were upon the ground, and considered at rest.
(a) If a bone of a Korban Pesach which went partially out, one must
scrape away the Pasul meat, then scrape away the Kosher meat to
the joint and cut off the bone.
(b) Of other Kodeshim, the bone is cut.
(c) The inner edge of the gate is considered within; from that point
outward is considered out.
(d) The windows and the thickness of the wall is considered within.
(a) [R. Yehudah] The same parameters of "in" and "out" apply to
6) THE AGAF
(b) [R. Yehoshua b. Levi] There are no blocks when dealing with
communicating with HaShem.
(a) Question: The Mishna seems to contradict itself regarding the
status of the Agaf itself?
(b) Answer: One is speaking of the gates of the Azarah; one of the
gates of Jerusalem.
1. The gates of Jerusalem were not sanctified to give the
Metzorayim a shelter from the weather.
(c) Question: Why was the Nikanor gate not sanctified?
2. The gates of the Azarah were all sanctified, except Nikanor.
(d) Answer: To allow the Metzorayim to do their Avodah from there.