POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafPesachim 84
Pesachim 81 - 95: We are grateful to Mr. Mark Frankel of Queens, N.Y. for
suggesting the idea of "Point by Point Summaries" and sponsoring its initial
two weeks -- Tizkeh l'Mitzvos!
1) MISHNA: EDIBLE PARTS OF THE KORBAN PESACH
(a) All edible parts of the adult ox may be eaten in the
2) SOFT "GIDIN" WHICH ARE GOING TO HARDEN
(b) This includes Roshei Knafayim and S'chuchim.
(c) Question: The Reisha implies that the Roshei Knafayim
and S'chuchim could *not* be eaten, contradicting the
(d) Answer #1: It is a Machlokes, and the Mishna should be
understood as such.
(e) Answer #2 [Rava]: The Seifa explains the Reisha.
(f) The Bereisa supports Rava (and adds that the soft
sinews are considered meat).
(a) R. Yochanan holds that soft Gidin which are going to
harden are considered an edible part of the Korban.
3) MISHNA: BREAKING BONES OF THE KORBAN PESACH
(b) Resh Lakish says that one may not join the Korban over
that part of the Korban.
1. R. Yochanan sees the sinews as of now (edible).
(c) Question: But our Mishna limits the permitted sinews?!
2. Resh Lakish sees how they will be (non-edible).
(d) Answer: The sinews listed in the Mishna generalize to
those other sinews which can be eaten by over-cooking.
(e) Question: What is R. Yochanan's real position?
1. Here he sees the meat "as of now," yet;
(f) Answer: R. Yochanan retracted his position (after
recognizing his position as a lone Tana's opinion).
2. He sees the skin of the kid's head as it will be!
(a) One who breaks a bone of a Kosher Korban incurs Malkos.
4) THE SOURCES FOR NOT INCURRING MALKOS
(b) One who leaves over meat does not incur Malkos.
(c) One who breaks a bone of a Tamei Korban also does not.
(a) [R. Yehudah] Leaving over is a case of an Aseh after a
Lo Sa'aseh, and that is why it does not incur Malkos.
(b) [R. Yakov] Leaving over is violated through inaction.
(c) Question: What is the source for [not incurring Malkos
for] breaking the bone of a Tamei Korban?
(d) Answer: "Bo" teaches that the prohibition only applies
to a *Kosher* Korban.
(e) The Bereisa cites R. Yehudah's source as "b'Vayis
Echad..." [only that which is eaten cannot be broken].
(f) Question: What case will cause a difference between the
(g) Answer #1: A Pesach brought b'Tumah.
5) A BONE WITHOUT A KAZAYIS OF MEAT IN THE PLACE OF THE BREAK
1. The first view exempts it from the prohibition
since such a Korban is, technically, Pasul.
(h) Answer #2: A Korban which was Kosher and became Pasul.
2. The second view prohibits since it can be eaten.
1. The first view sees this as Kosher.
(i) Answer #3: The Korban Pesach while it is still day.
2. The second view - it is now not fit to be eaten.
1. The first view sees it as Kosher.
(j) Answer #4: A bone which partially left Jerusalem.
2. The second view - it is not yet fit to be eaten.
3. Question: If we can break a bone during the day,
we should be able to include the marrow of the
(i) Question: Why can't we remove the marrow from
the Kulis even at night by burning a hole in
4. Answer: We do not remove the marrow from the Kulis
during the day lest one come to do so at night.
(ii) Answer #1: For fear of the bone cracking
elsewhere from the heat of the coal.
(iii) Answer: #2: For fear of burning some of
the marrow (thus destroying Kodeshim).
1. The first view sees it as still Kosher.
(k) Answer #5: A half-roasted bone. (Same distinctions.)
2. The second view - it cannot be eaten!
3. We learned in the Bereisa that it can be broken.
(l) Answer #6: The tail. (Same distinctions.)
(m) Answer #7: A bone without a Kazayis meat.
1. Same distinctions as above.
(n) Answer #8: A bone without a Kazayis in the place of the
break (but with a Kazayis elsewhere). (Same as above.)
2. Less than a Kazayis is not enough to be "eaten."
(o) There is a Bereisa cited to support four of the cases.
(a) R. Yochanan applies the prohibition of breaking to it.
(b) Resh Lakish does not apply the prohibition.
(c) Question: The Bereisa says that it is prohibited.
1. The Bereisa cannot mean a bone with less than a
Kazayis meat on it.
2. It must mean to prohibit a bone such as ours!