POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafPesachim 81
Pesachim 81 - 95: We are grateful to Mr. Mark Frankel of Queens, N.Y. for
suggesting the idea of "Point by Point Summaries" and sponsoring its initial
two weeks -- Tizkeh l'Mitzvos!
1) TUMAS ZIVA
(a) Question: But in the Bereisa R. Yosi teaches that we
*do* Shecht the Korban Pesach for the Shomeres Yom
2) R. YOSI AND ZAVAH GEMURAH
1. Her Safek is like the Tumas HaTehom of Ziva.
(b) Answer: R. Yosi holds that she was considered Tehorah
at the time of the Shechitah.
2. Presumably, this permission to Shecht (even though
there is a doubt whether she will be able to eat
the Korban) is on account of the Tzitz!
3. She is not required to bring the Pesach Sheni,
even if she saw blood!
1. The blood that the Shomeres Yom sees will create
Tumah only from that point onward.
(c) Question: But we find that R. Yosi holds that the Tumah
of a Zavah *is* retroactive!
2. That is why the Shechitah and Zerikah are
effective for her, not because Tumas Tehom is
1. She does not have to bring a Pesach Sheni.
(d) Answer: The retroactive Tumah is only mi'd'Rabanan.
2. This could only be on account of the Tzitz!
1. Regarding the Pesach she is considered Tehorah.
(e) Question: According to R. Yosi, what does "only Tumas
Mes" come to exclude?
2. R. Oshiya also holds that the Tumah is
retroactive, as we find in the Bereisa.
3. Question [R. Yochanan]: But the Zav should only
count one day?
(i) If R. Yochanan holds retroactive Tumah then
it should knock out the whole week.
4. Answer [R. Oshiya]: R. Yosi holds from now on.
(ii) If he holds the Tumah only from now on then
it should not even knock out that day since
he has completed his week?
5. Question: But R. Yosi said that the Tumah is
6. Answer: R. Oshiya must understand the Tumah
according to R. Yosi as being mi'd'Rabanan.
(f) Answer: It must exclude (prohibit) the Kohen who is
Tamei from Tumas HaTehom of Sheretz.
(g) We may conclude that the Tzitz *does* address the Tumas
Mes of the Kohen!
(h) No, it teaches that the Tumas HaTehom of Sheretz does
not permit its *owners* to bring a Korban Pesach.
(a) Question: How can R. Yosi ever find a Zavah Gemurah?
3) TAMID AND TUMAS HATEHOM
(b) Answer #1: She sees non-stop for three days
(c) Answer #2: She saw during each of two Bein HaShmashos.
(a) Question [R. Yosef]: Can we permit a Kohen who is Tamei
b'Tumas HaTehom to perform the daily Tamid?
1. Does the permission by Nazir and Pesach transfer
to the Kohen, and;
(b) Answer [Raba]: It is a Kal v'Chomer from Nazir and
2. Does the permission transfer to the Tamid?
1. Definite Tumah is not permitted by these two, yet
Tumas HaTehom *is* permitted.
4) DEFINITION OF TUMAS HATEHOM
2. Definite Tumah *is* permitted by a Korban Tzibur
(such as Tamid) all the more so that Tumas HaTehom
(c) Question: We learn in a Bereisa regarding Nazir that we
cannot deduce logic from a Halachah l'Moshe mi'Sinai!?
(d) Answer: We learn a Gezeirah Shavah (the shared word
Moado) from Pesach.
(e) Question: Where is Tumas HaTehom written?
(f) Answer [R. Eliezer]: "Alav" teaches that the Mes needs
to be clear to the Nazir to be invalidated.
(g) Question: And whence do we know Korban Pesach?
(h) Answer #1 [R. Yochanan]: "Lachem" teaches that the
Tumah must be clear to him.
(i) Answer #2 [Resh Lakish]: "Derech" teaches that it must
be as clear as the road.
(a) Question: What is Tumas HaTehom?
5) YEDIAH AND ZERIKAH
(b) Answer: Any Tumah which absolutely nobody knows about.
(c) Question: According to R. Eliezer, only *he* needs to
be ignorant of the Tumah; according to R. Yochanan at
least two people need to know (Lachem is plural), and;
according to Resh Lakish, *everyone* needs to know?
(d) Answer: Tumas HaTehom is Halachah l'Moshe mi'Sinai and
the Pesukim are only Asmachta.
(a) The permission to do Zerikah is only if he did not know
about the Tumah, but not if he already knew about it.
6) TUMAS HATEHOM BY NAZIR
(b) Question: The Bereisa implies otherwise!?
1. When the Mes is lying in the width of the road,
where it is impossible that the person did not
(c) Answer: Rather, with either order it is permitted,
l'Chatchilah, to do Zerikah.
2. Still, for Nazir and Pesach he is permitted!
(a) The Mes is lying in the width of the road, where it is
impossible that the person did not become Tamei.
7) MISHNA: BURNING THE PESACH TAMEI
(Nobody in the world was aware of this Tumah. - Rashi)
(b) For Terumah he is Tamei, for Nazir and Pesach he is
(c) If there was a way of passing by without contacting the
body, there is no Tumah.
(d) The Tumah above is only if the body is whole, not in
(e) Within a grave he is Tamei even if the body is broken.
(f) The Heter of broken body is only if he is on foot.
(g) If the Tumah is known, he is Tamei.
(h) The definition of Tumas HaTehom is that nobody knows.
(i) If the Tumah is covered with stones (as opposed to
water or in the dark or in cracks) it is TeHom.
(j) We are only dealing with Tumas Mes, not any other.
(a) A whole or majority of the Korban that became Tamei is
burnt by the Bais HaMikdash using wood of Ma'arachah."
(b) If the minority of the Korban is Tamei it is burnt at
the individual's home using his own wood.
(c) Miserly people would bring even this to the Bais
HaMikdash to benefit from the Ma'arachah wood.