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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous dafPesachim 80
1) [bottom of 79b] KEHAL BY PESACH TAMEH
(a) Bereisa: Half Tehorim, half Temeim, each half makes its
own Korban Pesach.
2) VARIOUS TYPES OF TUMAH BY KORBAN PESACH
1. One person tilts the balance to Tumah, and all
would bring b'Tumah (En Korban Tzibur Chaluk).
(b) [Rav] If the People are half-half, we make one person
2. [R. Eliezer b. Masia] One person cannot tilt the
balance (based on Pasuk).
3. [R. Shimon] One Tameh Shevet is its own Kehal and
brings its own Korban.
4. [R. Yehudah] One Tameh Shevet allows everyone to
bring the Korban b'Tumah (En Tzibur Chaluk).
(c) Question: Why not let each half bring its own?
(d) Answer: There [already] was one more than half.
(e) Question: Then the majority is already Tameh?!
(f) Answer: Rav holds like R. Eliezer b. Masia (one is not
(g) Question: Then, again, let each half make its own?!
(h) Answer: Rav holds of a combination of opinions above
1. The opinion of the Tana Kama (half-half cannot
bring b'Tumah) plus the opinion of R. Yehudah (we
do not split up a Tzibur).
(i) Ulah holds that we send one Tahor person to a distance.
2. Thus we send out one to become Tameh.
(j) Question: Why not make him Tameh with a Sheretz?
(k) Answer: He holds that we could still do the Korban
Pesach b'Taharah even for a Tameh Sheretz.
(l) Question: Then make him Tameh Mes!
(m) Answer: He could then not bring a Korban Chagigah.
(n) Question: Sending him away does the same!
(o) Answer: He has Pesach Sheni.
(p) Question: The Tameh Mes can be ready by the end of
Pesach to bring his Chagiga!?
(q) Answer: Ulah holds that the seven days to bring the
Chagiga are substitutes for the first day, only if on
the first day he was eligible.
(r) [R. Nachman] Ulah's suggestion is unworkable (nobody
will be willing to go) and it is better to be Metameh.
(a) [Rav] If a majority are Tameh Zav and a minority are
Tameh Mes, the latter do not bring either Korban
3) TASHLUMIN FOR THE KORBAN PESACH
1. They cannot bring Pesach Rishon because they are
not the majority.
(b) Question [Shmuel]: The Pasuk says "b'Moado?" (Pesach
must be brought!)
2. They cannot bring the Pesach Sheni since there was
no Pesach Rishon brought.
(c) Answer [Rav]: It is no worse than Moado when all are
(a) [R. Huna] If a majority are Tameh Mes and a minority
are Tameh Zav, the latter do not bring either Korban.
(b) [R. Ada b. Ahava] They *do* bring Pesach Sheni.
(c) The one who holds En Tashlumin [R. Huna] would hold
that Tumah is Dechuyah by a Tzibur.
(d) The one who holds Yesh Tashlumin [R. Ada b. Ahava]
would hold that Tumah is Hutrah by a Tzibur.
(e) No, the argument is whether or not a Tameh Korban
Pesach can generate a Pesach Sheni.
4) MISHNA: THE TZITZ IN KORBAN PESACH
(f) [R. Mani b. Patish] If a third were Zavim, a third were
Tehorim, and a third were Tameh Mes, the latter cannot
bring either Korban.
1. The Korban Rishon because the Zavim combine with
the Tehorim to make a majority of non-Tameh Mes.
2. The Pesach Sheni because the Zavim join them to
make a majority who did not bring the Rishon, and
majorities cannot bring Pesach Sheni.
(a) The Tzitz addresses Tumah in the blood which was
discovered after the Zerikah but not in the owner.
5) THE ORDER OF ZERIKAH AND YEDIA
(b) The same Din is found by Nazir as by Korban Pesach.
(c) The Tzitz addresses questionable Tumah (Tumas haTehom).
(a) The Mishna speaks in a case of Zerikah followed by
Yedia, however, in a case of Yedia followed by Zerikah
the Tzitz would not help.
6) TUMAS HATEHOM
(b) Question: The Bereisa teaches that the Tzitz helps even
by *intentional* Zerikah (meaning that Yedia had
(c) Answer #1 [Ravina]: This Bereisa is referring to
intentionally caused Tumah of the blood, not to
(d) Answer #2 [R. Shila]: The Bereisa speaks even of
intentional Zerikah, but restricts the Tumah to
1. Question: But the Mishna says that the Yedia came
Tameh *after* the Zerikah (not like R. Shila's
definition of Mezid)?
2. Answer: The Reisha was written as a parallel to
the Seifa (by Tumas HaGuf where the Yedia must
have followed the Zerikah), but, indeed, the Tumah
could have preceded the Yedia in the Reisha.
(a) Question [Rami b. Chama]: Does the Tzitz address the
Tumah of a Kohen [who is Tameh b'Tumas HaTehom]
performing the Avodah for a Nazir or Korban Pesach?
1. Does the permissibility of Tumah apply to the
(b) Answer [Rava]: The permission applies also to the
2. Or does the permission apply to the Korban?
1. Bereisa: The Tumas HaTehom is only permitted by
2. Presumably this implies that it does not apply to
3. If this is speaking of a Nazir who became Tameh
b'Tumas Sheretz, we have a *Pasuk* saying that
this will not interrupt his Nezirus.
4. Rather, it must refer to one bringing a Korban
5. This works according to the opinion that we could
not Shecht a Korban Pesach for one with Tumas
6. However, if we hold that we could, then it would
not be news to say that Tumas *HaTehom* of Sheretz
7. Rather, it must refer to the Kohen, and the
conclusion is as above that the permission applies
to the Kohen, as well.
8. [R. Yosef]: No, the Bereisa implies that the
permission does not apply to Tumas HaTehom of