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- "VESES HA'CHODESH" -- EXPECTING TO SEE BLOOD ON A PARTICULAR DAY OF THE
OPINIONS: The Gemara discusses an argument between Rav and Shmuel
concerning how a woman establishes a monthly interval Veses. From the fact
that the Gemara deals with establishing a Veses in a case of a woman
bleeding on the fifteenth day of one month, the sixteenth of the next
month, and then on the seventeeth of the third month, we see that there is
some correlational link between the days of the month and her bleeding.
We know that certain physical signs (such as cramping, trembling, sneezing)
can indicate the onset of menstruation. Can a calendar date such as the day
of the month also be linked to bleeding?
- The RAMBAN writes that it is not possible that her bleeding could be
linked to the day of the month. "Does the Shofar [that announces when the
new month begins] cause her to bleed? Does the constellation of that month
cause her to bleed?" The Ramban asserts that the RAMBAM also maintains that
there is no such thing as a Veses being linked to the day of the month,
since he does not mention it at all.
- The RE'AH (Bedek ha'Bayis 7:3) also says that it does not make sense
that a Veses should be established according to the day of the month.
However, it could be established based on the phase of the moon (as
calculated from the Molad), since there is a relationship between the phase
of the moon and a woman's menstruation. The Ramban (see (a)) also mentions
the idea that a full moon could be related to the menstrual cycle.
RAV YONASAN EIBESHITZ (Pleisi 189) questions this. If a woman's cycle is
related to the phases of the moon, determing her Veses would require
extremely involved calculations based on the Molad of the exact location in
which she lives, and it could not be based on the standard Molad (which is
based on the Molad as seen from Cairo).
- The RASHBA (Toras ha'Bayis 7:3) maintains that there certainly is a
monthly Veses, based on the day of the month. He justifies this approach
based on the Yerushalmi (Kesuvos 1:2) which states that if a girl reaches
the age of three in Nisan and Beis Din decides to add a second Adar before
Nisan begins, the girl's physical nature will be affected by their
decision. If she is raped during the second Adar, her Besulim will
regenerate; if she is raped during Nisan, they will not.
- TOSFOS (DH Itmar, and cited in the Ramban) says that not only could her
Veses be linked to a specific day of the month, but it could also be linked
to a specific day of the week (that is, if she bled consistently on three
Sundays, Sunday will become her Veses; see Chart #12, 6:B).
HALACHAH: The Ramban himself (Hilchos Nidah 5:12) concludes that we should
be stringent and follow Tosfos' opinion and observe a monthly Veses as well
as a weekly one. This is also the ruling of the SHULCHAN ARUCH (Yoreh Deah
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