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Nedarim 62


(a) Rebbi and Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah arrived at a certain place after the fig-picking season had ended. Rebbi ate from the figs, Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah did not.
Why did he continue to decline to eat them even after the owner reminded them that most of the locals had already put away their knives?

(b) What did that fig owner do with Rebbi Tarfon when he discovered him eating his figs?

(c) Why did he do that? Did he not know that once the season has terminated, the figs are permitted?

(a) How did Rebbi Tarfon save himself from being drowned?

(b) Till the end of his days, he was cross with himself for having done so, due to a statement (that would later be made) by Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan. What did Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan subsequently say?

(c) How did he learn this from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from Beltshatzar?

(a) Rebbi Tarfon's reaction to his own deed implies that he should have allowed himself to be thrown into the river to drown? Since when is 'Mishtamesh be'Kisrah shel Torah' included among the Mitzvos for which one is obligated to give up one's life?

(b) When we asked why Rebbi Tarfon was cross, we introduce the Kashya with the expression 'I Hachi', suggesting that this would not have been a problem if the owner had for some reason, suspected him of stealing just that once.
Why is that?

(c) Can we learn from this episode that a Talmid-Chacham is forbidden to claim tax-exemption on the basis of his being a Talmid-Chacham?

(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Nitzavim (with regard to learning motivation) "le'Ahavah es Hashem Elokecha, Lishmo'a be'Kolo u'le'Davkah Bo"? For which three reasons should one not learn Torah?

(b) And what do we learn from the Pasuk in Mishlei ...

  1. ... "Kashram al Etzbe'osecha, Kasvam al Lu'ach Libecha"?
  2. ... "Derachehah Darchei No'am ... ve'Somchehah Me'ushar"?
(c) What does Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok mean when he says 'Asei Devarim le'Shem Pa'alam ve'Daber Lahem bi'Shmam'?

(d) Which two forbidden motives do we learn from the 'Kal va'Chomer' from Beltshatzar quoted earlier?

(a) What does Rava learn from Ovadya, who said to Eliyahu "ve'Avdecha Yarei es Hashem mi'Ne'urav"?

(b) Then why was Rebbi Tarfon upset with himself?

(c) How does Rava reconcile this Pasuk with the Pasuk in Mishlei "Yehalelcha Zar ve'Lo Ficha"?

(d) In the same context, what does Rava learn from the Pasuk in Shmuel "u'Venei David Kohanim Hayu" (bearing in mind that David ha'Melech was not a Kohen)?

(a) And what do we learn from the Pasuk in Emor "ve'Kidashto, Ki es Lechem Elokecha Hu Makriv"?

(b) What does Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael mean when, elaborating on this Pasuk, he explains ...

  1. ... 'Lifto'ach Rishon'?
  2. ... 'Levarech Rishon'?
  3. ... Litol Manah Yafeh Rishon'?
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(a) Rava permits a Talmid-Chacham to say 'Lo Yahivna Akarga'.
What is Akarga (synonymous with Karga)?

(b) He learns this from the Pasuk in Ezra, where Koresh exempted the Kohanim and all those who worked in the Beis Hamikdash from "Mindoh, ve'Lo va'Halach". Rav Yehudah interpret "Mindoh" as a king's land-tax and "Lo" as a head-tax. Halach he translates as 'Arnona'. According to one explanation, Arnona means a tax to pay for the food served at the king's table (because it actually means 'a feast' in Greek).
What is the other explanation?

(a) On what grounds does Rava permit a Talmid-Chacham to gain exemption from paying taxes by stating that he is 'a servant of "Nura" ' (which translated means 'fire'), despite the fact that this implies that he is a servant of a priest of Avodah-Zarah?

(b) Rava specified 'Talmid-Chacham'.
Does this mean that this Heter is confined to Talmidei-Chachamim?

(c) Rav Ashi sold a forest to 'Bei Nura'.
What did he answer Ravina, when he asked why he had not transgressed the La'av of "Lifnei Iver Lo Siten Michshol"?

(a) If someone forbids wine 'ad ha'Katzir', when will he be permitted to drink it?

(b) Is this time-period universal?

(c) Does it make any practical difference whether he declared his Neder in the mountains or in the valley?

(d) What will therefore be the Din if the Noder declared the Neder ...

  1. ... in the mountain, and he was in the valley when the harvest season began in the valley?
  2. ... in the valley, and he was in the mountain when the harvest season began in the valley?
(a) According to the Tana Kama, if someone forbids something up until the rains, he is forbidden until the beginning of the second rainfall.
How many rainfalls are there?

(b) Does it make any difference whether he said 'ad ha'Geshamim' or 'ad she'Yehei ha'Geshamim'?

(c) 'Raban Shimon ben Gamliel Omer ad she'Yagi'a Z'manah shel Geshamim'.
What does he mean by that? In what point does he argue with the Tana Kama?

(d) According to Rebbi Meir, if the Noder said 'ad she'Yifseku Geshamim', he is forbidden until the end of Nisan.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

11) In matters concerning Nedarim, does one follow the conditions as they are at the time of the Neder, or as they are at the time of their fulfillment?


(a) The Tana Kama and Raban Shimon ben Gamliel in our Mishnah argue over whether 'ad ha'Geshamim' implies until the actual rainfall or until its time is due.
What does Rebbi Zeira say about 'ad ha'Geshem'?

(b) What is the basis for the Rabbanan's distinction between the two Leshonos? Does the basic Lashon mean until it begins or until it ends?

(c) We prove this from the Yerushalmi, which asks a similar She'eilah regarding someone who says 'Konem Yayin ad she'Yehei Mishteh B'ni'.
What is the She'eilah there?

(d) How does this prove our point?

(a) Why does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel not make the same distinction between 'ad ha'Geshem' and 'ad ha'Geshamim' as the Rabbanan?

(b) If, as we just explained according to the Rabbanan, 'ad ha'Geshem' means until the time that the rain is due to fall (due to the fact that the actual rainfall is not fixed), why then do we not say the same with regard to 'ad ha'Katzir'? Why there, does the Tana give the time as when they actually begin to harvest the wheat rather than the wheat-harvest's due date.

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