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Nedarim 26

NEDARIM 26 - dedicated anonymously in honor of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, and in honor of those who study the Dafyomi around the world.



(a) We just learned that, according to Rabah, when the Noder says 'Had I known that my father was among them, I would have said 'Kulchem Asurim Chutz me'Aba'! even Beis Hillel concede that 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso, Lo Hutar Kulo', and that they argue with Beis Shamai when he said 'P'loni u'P'loni Asurin ve'Aba Mutar'. In Rava's opinion - Beis Shamai agrees with Beis Hillel that 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso, Hutar Kulo', and they argue with them in a case of 'Kulchem Asurim Chutz me'Aba'.

(b) Despite the fact that they also hold 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso Hutar Kulo', they argue - because they follow the opinion of Rebbi Meir, who holds 'Tafus Lashon Rishon' (when two Leshonos clash - such as 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah, Harei Zu Temuras Shelamim', we adopt the first Lashon). Here too, seeing as he retains the original Lashon of 'Kulchem' (which *includes* his father and his brother), we ignore his second Lashon of 'Chutz me'Avi ... ', which *precludes* them.

(c) Although Beis Shamai follows the opinion of Rebbi Meir, the cases are not exactly similar (and it may well even be that Rebbi Meir disagrees with Beis Shamai, as we shall see later). The basic difference between the two cases is - that whereas Rebbi Meir speaks in a case when the second statement clashes with the first, as we explained, Beis Shamai is speaking when the second statement renders the first one to have been an error.

(d) Beis Hillel holds like Rebbi Yossi - who maintains that one takes into account his final statement, not what he said first ('bi'Gamar Devarav Adam Nitfas').

(a) The Tana in the Mishnah in 'Rebbi Eliezer', defining the 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso, Hutar Kulo' of Rebbi Akiva, differentiates between 'she'Eini Neheneh le'Kulchem' ('Hutar ha'Rishon, Hutru Kulam') and 'she'Eini Neheneh la'Zeh ve'la'Zeh' ('Hutar ha'Rishon, Hutru Kulam'). In the latter case - he says 'Hutar ha'Acharon, ha'Acharon Mutar ve'Chulan Asurin'.

(b) Assuming that we temporarily ignore the final case (of 'Hutar ha'Acharon' - see Rosh, whose explanation we are adopting in this section), when Rav Papa says there is no problem with the Mishnah - he means that both speak when the Noder changed the contents as well as the Lashon: in the Reisha, he originally said 'la'Zeh ve'la'Zeh', and later claimed that he would have said 'Kulchem, whereas in the Seifa, he speaks in the reverse (or vice-versa).

(c) The problem that Rav Papa has with the Seifa of the Mishnah is - that, according to Rava, seeing as the Noder changed to 'la'Zeh ve'la'Zeh', why is this cited in the name of Rebbi Akiva, implying that the Rabbanan disagree, when Rava just explained that, in such a case, they agree with him?

(d) We cannot answer that 'la'Zeh ve'la'Zeh' of the Seifa refers to the original Neder, but when he retracted he said 'Kulchem' (in which case the Tana will be teaching us that irrespective of what he first said, Rebbi Akiva holds that even if he concludes with 'Kulchem', the Neder is void) - because, since according to Rava, everything hinges around what he said when he retracted, why would the Tana speak about what he said originally (as he does according to Rabah)?




(a) Rava retorts that, even according to Rabah, the Seifa de'Seifa requires interpretation - because if, as it appears from the way we just interpreted it, the Tana is speaking in a case of 'Kulchem', then who is 'Rishon' and who is 'Acharon' referring to?

(b) Rava therefore learns the entire Seifa differently to accommodate both the Reisha de'Seifa and the Seifa de'Seifa - by establishing it when he connected each of those partaking of his figs, by saying 'P'loni is like P'loni and P'loni like P'loni, until each person is connected to the person before him. That is why the Tana 'Hutar ha'Rishon Hutru Kulam' (meaning that if the first person that he mentioned turned out to be his father, then they are all permitted); 'Hutar Acharon, ha'Acharon Mutar ve'Chulam Asurim'.

(c) The Mishnah in 'Rebbi Eliezer' concludes that should the man in the middle turn out to be his father - then those before his father remain forbidden, whereas those after him are permitted.

(d) This goes to prove - that the Tana is indeed speaking when the Noder connected each of those partaking with the one before him.

4) Rava's explanation dispenses with Rav Papa's Kashya - because it now transpires that each Neder is an independent one (in which case, the terms 'Miktzaso' and 'Kulo' would be inappropriate).


(a) In the same Mishnah in 'Rebbi Eliezer', Rebbi Meir says - that someone who declares a Konem on onions because they are bad for the heart, and they tell him that Kofri onions are good for the heart, is permitted to eat all onions (because of 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso ... ').

(b) Rav Ada bar Ahavah interprets Rebbi Meir's statement, to ask a Kashya against Rava - when the Noder changed to 'Kol ha'Betzalim Asurim, ve'Kofri Mutar' (which in the opinion of Rava, is the equivalent case to that of 'Kulchem', where Beis Shamai follow the opinion of Rebbi Meir).

(c) He asks on Rava because it is Rava who brought Rebbi Meir into the picture (by establishing Beis Shamai like him). He could have asked an even stronger Kashya on Rabah - in whose opinion even Beis Hillel agree that in the case of 'Kulchem', we do not apply 'Neder she'Hutar Miktzaso, Hutar Kulo'.

(d) Rava replies that Rebbi Meir is speaking when the Noder said 'Ilu Hayisi Yodei'a ... Hayisi Omer, Batzeil P'loni u'P'loni Asurin, ve'Kofri Mutar'. We could also have answered that, although Beis Shamai holds like Rebbi Meir, Rebbi Meir does not hold like Beis Shamai - because, as we explained above, Rebbi Meir may well go after a person's opening statement, only when it clashes with his second one (but not necessarily when the second statement renders the first one an error, like it does in our case).

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