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Prepared by Rabbi N. Slifkin
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Nedarim 54
1) WHAT ARE CONSIDERED VEGETABLES?
(a) (Mishnah): One who vows from vegetables may have gourd;
R. Akiva forbids.
2) WHAT IS CONSIDERED MEAT
1. Chachamim: If one sends a messenger to the market to
buy vegetables, he will say, I didn't find
vegetables, only gourds!
(b) He may have dry Egyptian beans, but not moist.
2. R. Akiva: Yes! He would not say, I only found
i. Gourds are in the category of vegetables;
legumes are not.
(c) (Gemara) Question: He vowed from vegetables - how can R.
Akiva forbid gourds?
(d) Answer (Ula): The case is, he vowed from pot vegetables
(the extra word shows that he wants to forbid something
else as well).
(e) Question: Maybe he meant to include vegetables eaten in a
pot (i.e. that are added for flavor)!
(f) Answer: He vowed from vegetables cooked in a pot.
(g) Question: On what do Chachamim and R. Akiva argue?
(h) Answer: Chachamim hold, anything a messenger must ask
about is not included in the species; R. Akiva says that
1. (Abaye): R. Akiva admits that (the one who vowed) is
not lashed for eating things a messenger would ask
(i) (Mishnah): If the agent fulfilled his mission (and spent
Hekdesh money), the one who sent him transgresses
Me'ilah; if he did not fulfill his mission (e.g. he
bought the wrong item), he himself transgresses Me'ilah.
(a) Question: Who is the Tana of the Mishnah?
(b) Answer (Rav Chisda): It is not as R. Akiva.
1. (Beginning of that Mishnah): A man told his servant
- 'Give meat to the guests', and he gave liver (of
Hekdesh), or vice-versa - the servant transgressed
(c) Rejection (Abaye): The Mishnah can be as R. Akiva - R.
Akiva admits, the agent must consult!
2. R. Akiva would hold, since an agent would ask if he
should get liver in place of meat, this is a
fulfillment of the mission, and the sender
transgresses, not the agent!
(d) (Rava): Abaye is correct - the Chachamim that argue on R.
Akiva hold as R. Shimon Ben Gamliel.
1. (Beraisa): One who vows from meat is forbidden in
all types of beef, the head, the legs, the chest,
the innards, the liver, the heart, and fowl; he may
have fish and grasshoppers;
(e) Question: Why does the 1st Tana prohibit fowl, and permit
fish - a messenger would consult before buying either!
2. R. Shimon Ben Gamliel says, he is forbidden all
types of beef, but may have the head, legs, innards,
liver, heart, and fowl; all the more so, he may have
fish and grasshoppers.
i. (R. Shimon Ben Gamliel): The innards are not
considered meat; one who eats them is not a
ii. Question: In what respect is he not a person?
iii. Answer: If he buys them in place of meat, he is
(f) Answer #1 (Abaye): The case is, the one that vowed just
underwent bloodletting (therefore, he had no intention to
eat fish anyway, so he didn't intend to forbid it).
1. Question: If so, the same should apply to fowl!
(g) Answer #2 (Rava): His eyes were hurting when he vowed,
(since he had no intention to eat fish anyway, he didn't
intend to forbid it).
i. (Shmuel): One who lets blood from the shoulder
and eats meat of birds, his heart will flutter
as a bird.
2. Answer: He had fowl in mind, since if he overcooks
it, it will not harm him.
ii. (Beraisa): We do not let blood after the
patient ate fish, fowl or salted meat;
iii. (Beraisa): After letting blood, the patient
should not eat milk, cheese, eggs, leeks, fowl
or salted meat.
(h) Question: To the contrary! Shmuel taught, fish are a
remedy for the eyes!
(i) Answer: They are only helpful at the end of the sickness,