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8) WHAT IS INCLUDED IN A VOW?
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven vowed not to eat cooked food - he is
permitted to eat roasted or half-cooked (Ran; Rosh -
9) COOKED DISHES
(b) 'I will not taste a cooked dish' - he may not eat a soft
dish cooked in a pot, but he may eat thick cooked foods,
Tormuta (super-boiled) eggs, and Remutzah gourds;
(c) One who vows not to eat things made in a pot is only
forbidden on things boiled in a pot;
(d) 'I will not taste anything that entered a pot' - he is
forbidden on anything cooked in a pot.
(e) (Gemara - Beraisa - R. Yoshiyah): One who vowed not to
eat cooked food may not eat roasted food;
1. A hint for this - "They cooked the Pesach sacrifice
by fire, as is its law (it must be roasted)".
(f) Suggestion: R. Yoshiyah holds that vows are interpreted
according to the language of the Torah; the Tana of our
Mishnah holds that vows are interpreted according to the
language of people.
(g) Rejection: No, all agree that vows go according to the
language of people.
1. In the region of our Tana, 'roasted' and 'cooked'
are not interchanged;
(h) Objection: But R. Yoshiyah brought a verse to support
2. In the region of R. Yoshiyah, 'cooked' is also used
to refer to roasted.
(i) Answer: The verse was a mere hint, it was not the source
of his law.
(a) (Mishnah): 'I will not taste a cooked dish ...'
(b) Question: He vowed not to have a cooked dish (Ran - why
is he permitted thick dishes?; Rosh - why is he forbidden
to have soft dishes?)!
(c) Answer (Abaye): This Tana calls anything eaten with bread
a cooked dish.
1. (Beraisa): One who vowed not to have a cooked dish
is forbidden in all kinds of cooked dishes; he may
not have roasted or half (Rosh - over-) cooked food;
(d) Question: But when R. Yirmiyah was sick, a doctor came to
cure him; when he saw a gourd in the house, he left,
saying that he is inviting his own death!
2. He may not have soft small gourds, since sick people
eat them with bread.
(e) Answer #1: Soft gourds help a sick person; hard gourds
are bad for him.
(f) Answer #2 (Rabah Bar Ula): The gourd itself is bad; the
inside is good for him.
1. (Rav Yehudah): The inside of gourds is good to cook
with beets; the inside of flax seeds is good to eat
with Kutach (a dip made with milk and bread).
(g) (Rava): The 'sick people' that eat soft gourds with bread
i. One should not say this in front of an
ignoramus (lest they mock us for inserting such
things in the Talmud).
1. Also elsewhere, Rava calls Chachamim sick people.
10) EATING HABITS OF CHACHAMIM
2. (Rava): The fact that we pray for the sick and
afflicted shows that we hold as R. Yosi (that man is
judged every day).
(h) (Mishnah): He is permitted thick dishes ...
i. 'Afflicted' cannot also mean sick - it must
(i) The Mishnah is not as Babylonians.
1. (R. Zeira): Babylonians are foolish - they eat bread
(i.e. thick porridge) with bread.
(j) (Rav Chisda): We should ask the experts of Hutzal -
should wheat porridge be eaten with wheat bread and
barley porridge with barley bread?
1. Or, should the bread be of the other grain?
(k) Rava would eat his bread with flour of roasted grain.
(a) Rav Huna was eating porridge with his fingers.
11) R. YEHUDAH'S CONDUCT
1. Rabah Bar Rav Huna: Why are you doing this?
(b) Rav (also Rav Huna) told his son: If you are invited to
eat porridge, it is worth travelling up to a Parsah
(about 4 kilometers); for ox meat, up to 3 Parsin.
2. Rav Huna: Rav said that it is good to eat it with a
finger; it is even better to eat with 2 fingers,
even better with 3.
(c) Rav (also Rav Huna) told his son: Do not spit out
anything in front of your Rebbi, except for gourds and
porridge, for these are as indigestible as lead.
(d) R. Yosi and R. Yehudah were eating porridge from a bowl -
one with his hands, one with a utensil.
1. The one using a utensil: You are causing me to eat
dirt (from under your nails)!
(e) Luspine (a kind of date difficult to digest) was set
before R. Yehudah and R. Shimon. R. Yehudah ate, R.
Shimon did not.
2. The one using his hands: You are causing me to eat
1. R. Yehudah: Why aren't you eating?
2. R. Shimon: These never leave one's system!
3. R. Yehudah: That is all the more reason to eat them
- they will satiate us also tomorrow!
(a) R. Yehudah was in front of R. Tarfon, who asked why his
face was glowing.
1. R. Yehudah: Yesterday we ate spinach without salt -
had we eaten it with salt, all the more so our faces
would be glowing!
(b) A woman saw R. Yehudah, and thought he was drunk: 'One
who decides laws is drunk'?!
1. R. Yehudah: The only wine I drink is for Kidush,
Havdalah, and the 4 cups on Pesach, and my head
hurts from Pesach until Shavuos.
(c) A heretic told R. Yehudah: 'You look as happy as those
that lend on interest or raise pigs'!
i. A man's Chochmah illuminates his face!
1. R. Yehudah: A Yisrael may not do either or those!
(d) R. Yehudah would carry a barrel to the Beis Midrash to
sit on - labor is great, it honors the laborer!
i. Rather, there are 24 bathrooms between my house
and the Beis Midrash, and I regularly make use
of all of them.
1. R. Shimon would carry a basket for the same reason.
(e) R. Yehudah's wife bought wool and made a nice garment.
She would wear it when she went to the market; R. Yehudah
would wear it when he prayed.
1. He would bless Hash-m for it - 'Blessed is he that
clothed me with a mantle!'
(f) R. Gamliel once declared a fast; R. Yehudah did not come.
They told him that the reason was because he did not have
a garment. R. Gamliel sent him a garment, but R. Yehudah
did not accept it.