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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Menachos 104
1) BLOOD OF A "NEVEILAH"
(a) Question: What was the conclusion?
2) A "NEDAVAH" OF WINE
(b) Answer (Rav Yosef): Rebbi's house relied on R. Yehudah
for rulings, he taught as follows:
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): The following six laws are
leniencies of Beis Shamai and stringencies of Beis
Hillel (our Gemara only brings the one relevant to
(c) R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah says, Beis Hillel Metamei only
when there is a Revi'is, since it can congeal to a
i. Beis Shamai Metaher Dam Neveilah, Beis Hillel
(a) (Mishnah): We do not bring a Nedavah of one, two or five
Lugim of wine (for this amount is never brought for (any
combination of) Nesachim;
(b) We may bring three Lugim (the size of Niskei Keves), four
(like Niskei Ayil), six or any greater number of Lugim.
(If a number (at least) six is a multiple of three, it
corresponds to a whole number of Nesachim for lambs; if
it is one (or two) more than a multiple of three, we
substitute one (or two) ram(s) for one (or two) lamb(s).)
(c) (Gemara) Question: Are Nesachim fixed (if one vowed to
bring a certain amount, is he obligated to bring it all
1. Question: What is the case?
(d) Answer #1 (Abaye - Mishnah) There were six boxes for
Nedavah (money to buy Nidvos Tzibur.)
2. Answer: If Reuven brought five Lugim:
3. If we say that Nesachim are not fixed, he can offer
four, the extra Log will be Nedavah (it itself or
wine bought with its redemption money will be
combined with other wine for Niskei Tzibur);
4. If Nesachim are fixed, it cannot be offered until a
sixth Log is added.
1. Question: Why were there six?
(e) Rejection: No, there are boxes only for money of Mosaros
which must be saved for Nedavah;
2. Answer: They correspond to six Mosaros - of Chatas,
Asham, Asham Nazir, Asham Metzora, Kinim (Chatas
ha'Of and Olas ha'Of) and Minchas Chotei.
3. If Nesachim are not fixed, there should have been a
seventh box for Nedavah, i.e. Mosar Nesachim!
1. Mosar Nesachim is very common, usually it can be
joined to other people's Mosar Nesachim and (it
itself is) offered the same day, we need not (redeem
it and) store the money.
(f) Answer #2 (Rava - Beraisa): "Ezrach" - this teaches that
Nesachim may be brought for Nedavah;
1. Question: How much does one bring?
(g) Question (Rav Ashi - Mishnah): We do not bring a Nedavah
of one, two or five Lugim of wine;
2. Answer: He brings three Lugim (equal to the smallest
Nesech of any animal.)
3. Question: What is the source to permit bringing
4. Answer: "Yihyeh".
5. Suggestion: Perhaps he may bring less?
6. Rejection "Kachah".
7. Question: What does the Beraisa mean 'to bring
i. It cannot mean bringing four or six - no verse
is needed for them, they correspond to Niskei
Eilim and Parim!
8. Answer: Rather, it means that he may bring five,
i.e. Nesachim are not fixed.
1. Presumably, the law of five is like that of (one or)
two, it cannot be brought at all!
(h) Answer: We need not say so, their laws can be different!
(i) (Abaye): If Nesachim are not fixed, the law is clear
(whatever may be offered is offered, the rest is
(j) If Nesachim are fixed:
1. Surely any amount from six until 10 is offered;
2. Question: If one brings 11, what is the law?
3) A "NEDAVAH" OF OIL
i. Do we say, he intends to bring Nesachim for two
bulls (12), therefore he must bring 12?
3. This question is not resolved.
ii. Or, perhaps he intends to bring Nesachim for
two rams and a sheep?
iii. Is it normal to bring Nesachim corresponding to
different animals (more than just one of each),
or not? (If it is normal, surely this is his
intent, we would not suspect that he brought an
(a) (Mishnah - R. Akiva): One may bring a Nedavah of wine,
but not of oil;
***** PEREK HAREI ALAI ISARON *****
(b) R. Tarfon says, one may (even) bring a Nedavah of oil.
(c) R. Tarfon: We find that wine is brought Chovah (i.e. with
a Korban) and Nedavah - likewise oil, which is brought
Chovah, may be brought Nedavah!
(d) R. Akiva: You cannot learn from wine, when it is brought
Chovah (i.e. with a Korban) it is offered by itself -
when oil is brought Chovah, it is mixed (with the
(e) Two people may not bring (a Minchah of) one Isaron in
partnership, but they may bring a (Behemah for an) Olah,
Shelamim or even one bird in partnership.
(f) (Gemara - Rava): We learn from R. Akiva and R. Tarfon
that one may offer a Nedavah of Minchas Nesachim every
(g) Objection: This is obvious!
(h) Answer: One might have thought, the Torah teaches about
five kinds of Minchas Nedavah (brought by themselves),
there are no others - Rava teaches that this is when a
person (vowed to bring a Minchah and) did not specify,
but if he specifies to bring Minchas Nesachim, he may do
(i) (Mishnah): Two people may not bring (one Isaron in
partnership, but they may bring an Olah, Shelamim or even
one bird in partnership.)
(j) Question: What is the reason?
(k) Answer #1: Regarding Minchah it says "Takriv" (singular).
1. Question: Similarly regarding Olah it says "Yakriv"!
(l) Answer #2: Regarding Minchah it says "Nefesh".
2. Answer: Regarding Olah it says "L'Oloseichem" (to
3. Objection: Similarly regarding Minchah it says
(m) Support (Beraisa - Rebbi): "Asher Yakriv Korbano l'Chol
Nidreihem ul'Chol Nidvosam Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m" -
everything may be brought in partnership, the Torah only
excludes Minchah, there it says "Nefesh".
(n) Question (R. Yitzchak): Why does it say "Nefesh" only
(o) Answer: Hash-m said 'Usually a poor person brings a
Minchah - I consider it as if he offered his soul!'
(p) Question (R. Yitzchak): Why are there five kinds of
Minchas Nedavah with oil?
(q) Answer: This is a parable, the king's friend prepared a
meal for the king. Knowing that his friend was poor, the
king requested that he make five kinds of fried foods, in
order that the meal will be pleasing.
4) AN UNSPECIFIC VOW
(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai (it is incumbent on me to
bring) an Isaron', he must bring (a Minchah of) one
(b) If he said 'Alai Esronim', he must bring two Esronim;
(c) If he (knows that he) specified how many Esronim he will
bring, but does not remember the amount, he must bring 60
Esronim (the largest possible Minchah, if he vowed less,
the excess is Nedavah (Rashash, Sefas Emes - he is
Misnadev to increase his vow to 60).)
(d) If he said 'Alai Minchah', he may bring any (of the five
types of) Minchas Nedavah that he wants;
(e) R. Yehudah says, he must bring Minchas Soles, for this is
the choice Minchah.
(f) If he said '(Alai) Minchah', or 'a type of Minchah', he
must bring one Minchah;
(g) If he said 'Menachos', or 'a type of Menachos', he must
bring two Menachos;
(h) If he specified which type he will bring, but does not
remember which, he must bring all five types.
(i) If he vowed 'A Minchah of (a certain number of) Esronim',
but does not remember the amount, he must bring 60
(j) Rebbi says, he must bring Menachos of every size, from
one Isaron until 60 (60 Menachos in all.)
(k) (Gemara) Objection: The first law ('Alai Isaron') is
(l) Answer: It is taught on account of the next law, 'Alai
(m) Objection: Also this is obvious, 'Esronim' is at least
(n) Answer: It is taught on account of the next law, he
specified but does not remember the amount.
(o) (Mishnah): If he specified but does not remember the
amount, he must bring 60 Esronim.
(p) Question: Who is the Tana of the Mishnah?
(q) Answer #1 (Chizkiyah): It is not Rebbi, for he says (in
the Seifa) that he must bring Menachos of every size,
from one until 60.
(r) Objection (and Answer #2 - R. Yochanan): It is even like
Rebbi - the case is, he specified how much he will bring,
but he did not vow to bring them in one Kli;
1. He brings 60 Esronim, each in its own Kli (no matter
what he vowed, he fulfills his obligation. In the
Seifa, he specified to bring them in one Kli,
therefore he must bring Menachos of every size.)