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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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MENACHOS 91 - This Daf has been dedicated by Rabbi Kornfeld and his staff in
honor of the marriage of Dvorah Chasdeya Feldman to Oren Tzvi Solomon,
tonight in Yerushalayim the Holy City. May they merit to build a Bayis
Ne'eman, which will be a pride and joy to their wonderful families and all
of Klal Yisrael!
1) WHICH "KORBANOS" REQUIRE "NESACHIM"? (Cont.)
(a) (Beraisa): What is the source that Todah requires
Nesachim? "*O* Zevach".
2) EXPOUNDING THE WORD "O"
(b) Question: (Why must we learn from 'O' -) Todah is also a
Zevach! (It is slaughtered; Rashba - it says, "Zevach
(c) Answer: One might have thought, since breads are brought
with Todah, it is not considered a Zevach (alternatively
- the bread is in place of Nesachim.)
(d) Question: Why would we think that Todah is different than
Ayil Nazir, which is accompanied by bread and Nesachim?
(e) Answer: One might have thought that Ayil Nazir requires
Nesachim because it is accompanied by only two kinds of
breads, but Todah does not require Nesachim, because it
is accompanied by four kinds.
(f) Question: Why isn't "Lefalei Neder O vi'Ndavah" enough,
why must it also say "Olah"?
(g) Answer: Had it not said "Olah", we would have expounded
"V'Asisem Isheh la'Sh-m" - Klal; "Lefalei Neder O
vi'Ndavah" - Prat; "La'asos Re'ach Nicho'ach la'Sh-m" -
Klal, from a Klal Prat u'Klal we learn everything similar
to the Pratim, Korbanos not brought on account of sin;
1. We would exclude Chatas and Asham, which are on
account of sin, but we would include Bechor, Ma'aser
(h) Question: Now that it says "Olah", how do we expound the
Klal, Prat and Klal?
2. Therefore, it must say "Olah".
(i) Answer: The Prat is something which he was not obligated
to bring, we include all such Korbanos;
1. This includes offspring of Korbanos, Temuros, Olah
that comes from Mosaros (like above, 90A-B), an
Asham that was Nitak to Ro'eh (graze until gets a
Mum, then it is redeemed), and any Korban
slaughtered Lo Lishmah.
(a) Question: If we expound 'O' (before 'Zevach'), surely we
also expound 'O' in "Lefalei Neder O vi'Nedavah" - what
does it teach?
3) THE "KORBANOS" OF A "METZORA" REQUIRE "NESACHIM"
(b) Answer #1: This is needed to separate Neder and Nedavah,
i.e. Nesachim are brought for even one of them;
1. One might have thought that Nesachim are brought
only when both of them are brought.
(c) Question: This is like R. Yoshiyah - according to R.
Yonason, how can we answer?
(d) Answer #2: One might have thought one Nesech (Minchah and
wine) is brought for a Neder or Nedavah *or* both of them
- "O" teaches, this is not so.
(e) Question: What do we learn from "*O* b'Mo'adeichem"?
(f) Answer: One might have thought that two Nesachim are
required for Olas Neder brought with Shalmei Nedavah (or
vice-versa), but that one Nesech suffices if both of them
are Nedarim (or both are Nedavos), for we do not
distinguish among Nedarim (or Nedavos) - "O" teaches,
this is not so.
(g) Question: What do we learn from "V'Chi Sa'aseh Ven Bakar
Olah *O* Zavach"?
(h) Answer: One might have thought that two Nesachim are
required for Olas and Shalmei Neder, or for Olas and
Shalmei Nedavah, but that one Nesech suffices for Olas
Neder and Olas Nedavah, or for Shalmei Neder and Shalmei
Nedavah, for we do not distinguish among Olos (or
Shelamim) - "O" teaches, this is not so.
(i) Question: What do we learn from "Lefalei Neder *O*
(j) Answer: One might have thought that two Nesachim are
required for Olas Neder and Olas Nedavah, or for Shalmei
Neder and Shalmei Nedavah, but one Nesech suffices for
two identical Korbanos (two Olos Neder, two Olos Nedavah,
two Shalmei Neder or two Shalmei Nedavah) - "O" teaches,
this is not so.
(k) Question: According to R. Yoshiyah, why do we need "Min
ha'Bakar *O* Min ha'Tzon"? (R. Yonason (90B) used "O" to
teach that an Olah can be only a bull *or* Seh, but R.
Yoshiyah used the verse merely to exclude birds.)
(l) Answer: One might have thought that two Nesachim are
required for different species (i.e. cattle and flock),
but one Nesech suffices for identical Korbanos of the
same species - "O" teaches, this is not so.
(m) Question: What do we learn from "Kachah Ta'asu la'Echad"?
(n) Answer: One might have thought that two Nesachim are
required for Zevachim offered (Rashi; Rashi Kesav Yad -
Hukdash) one after the other, but one Nesech suffices if
they were (Rashi Kesav Yad - Hukdash and) offered at the
same time - this teaches, this is not so.
(a) (Mishnah): The Chatas and Asham of a Metzora require
(b) Question: What is the source of this?
(c) Answer (Beraisa): (A rich Metzora brings) "U'Sheloshah
Esronim Soles Minchah..." - this Minchah is on account of
the three Zevachim that he brings. (Therefore, each
Isaron must be brought by itself, intent (Chutz li'Zmano)
in the Zevachim can Mefagel the Minchah...?)
1. Suggestion: Perhaps it is a Minchah that comes by
(d) Question: Why can't we learn Chatas *and* Asham from
"Zavach", like we do regarding Nazir?
2. Rejection: It says "Es ha'Olah v'Es ha'Minchah" -
this teaches that the Minchah is on account of the
3. Question: This shows that Korbanos Metzora require
Menachos - do they require Nesachim of wine?
4. Answer: "V'Yayin la'Nesech...Ta'aseh Al ha'Olah O
la'Zavach la'Keves ha'Echad" (this is extra, to
teach about other Korbanos that require Nesachim):
i. "Ha'Olah" teaches about Olas Metzora, "Zavach"
teaches about Chatas Metzora, "O" teaches about
4) "NESACHIM" FOR DIFFERENT ANIMALS
1. (Beraisa): Question: What is the source regarding
Chatas and Asham (Tosfos - that they may be eaten
only one day and one night? Rashi - that the Nazir's
hair (which the Torah says is placed under the pot
in which the Shelamim is cooked) may alternatively
be placed under the pot in which the Chatas or Asham
(e) Answer: Regarding Nazir, they are the same (both come to
permit (Rashi Kesav Yad - the Asham to begin Nezirus
Taharah, the Chatas) to drink wine and become Tamei.)
2. Answer: "Zevach" teaches these.
1. Regarding Metzora, they are different (the Asham
permits him to eat Kodshim or enter the Azarah, the
Chatas atones), two verses are required.
(f) (Beraisa): "Zavach" teaches about Chatas Metzora.
(g) Question: Perhaps it teaches about Chatas Nazir and Asham
(h) Answer #1 (Beraisa): "U'Minchasam v'Niskeihem" - of the
Nazir's Olah and Shelamim.
1. Suggestion: Perhaps this refers to Chatas!
(i) (Beraisa): "Ha'Olah" teaches about Olas Metzora.
2. Rejection - Question: "V'Es ha'Ayil Ya'aseh Zevach
Shelamim...Minchaso v'Es Nisko" - this is
unnecessary, it already said that the ram will be a
i. Answer: The ram was mentioned to teach about
other Korbanos - it is (Shelamim, which is)
brought for Nedavah, Nesachim apply to all such
(j) Question: Perhaps it teaches about Olas Yoledes!
(k) Answer #1 (Abaye): We learn Olas Yoledes from the end of
1. (Beraisa - R. Noson): "La'Keves" - this teaches
about Olas Yoledes; "Ha'Echad" - this teaches about
the 11th animal to leave the pen (when taking
Ma'aser, if the 10th was mistakenly called 'ninth'
and the 11th was called 'tenth') it is offered like
(l) Answer #2 (to Questions (g) and (j) - Rava): We expound
three inclusions from "V'Yayin la'Nesech...Al *ha'Olah O
la'Zavach*" - surely, these refer to the three Korbanos
of a Metzora!
2. Normally, what is secondary is not greater than what
is primary! (Ma'aser itself does not require
Nesachim, all the more so a Korban that is Kodesh
only because one tried to make it Ma'aser should not
require Nesachim! Therefore, a verse must teach that
it requires Nesachim.)
(a) Question: Why must it say "La'Ayil"? (Rashi Kesav Yad -
Bamidbar 15:6, in the Parshah of Nesachim; we would have
known from Musafim in Parshas Pinchus that two Esronim is
the Minchah for a ram. Shitah Mekubetzes - "Kachah
Ye'aseh...O *la'Ayil*" (15:11) is superfluous.)
(b) Answer (Rav Sheshes): This includes the ram of the Kohen
Gadol (on Yom Kipur, which atones for Tum'os of Yisrael.)
(c) Question: We learn this from "O b'Mo'adeichem"!
(d) Answer: One might have thought that this only teaches
about Korbanos Tzibur, not about Korbanos Yachid.
1. Question: Why is this different than Olas Yoledes?
(It is also a Korban Yachid, yet it requires
(e) Question: What do we learn from "*O* la'Ayil"?
2. Answer: Olas Yoledes does not have a fixed time, the
Kohen Gadol's ram does, therefore "O b'Mo'adeichem"
is needed to teach that it requires Nesachim.
(f) Answer: This includes a Palgas (a sheep in its 13th
month, it requires Nesachim.)
(g) Question: We understand according to R. Yochanan, who
says that Palgas is an entity to itself (it is neither a
Keves (lamb) nor Ayil (ram)):
1. (Mishnah): If one vowed to offer a lamb or ram and
he offered a Palgas, he brings the Nesachim of a
ram, but he did not fulfill his vow.
(h) Conclusion: Indeed, this is difficult according to Bar
2. (R. Yochanan): "O la'Ayil" includes a Palgas.
3. But Bar Pada says that he brings the Nesachim of a
ram and stipulates (that if a Palgas is truly a
lamb, the extra Nesachim are Nedavos), since *we* do
not know if it is a ram or lamb - according to him,
what does the verse teach? Niskei Palgas were
already taught (i.e. in the Parshah of Niskei Ayil
or Niskei Keves!)
(i) "Kachah Ye'aseh la'Shor ha'Echad..." (the verse is
superfluous, we expound all of it.)
(j) Question: What do we learn from "La'Shor ha'Echad"?
(k) Answer: The Torah specified different Nesachim for lambs
and rams, one might have thought that it likewise
distinguishes between bulls and calves;
1. "La'Shor ha'Echad" teaches that we do not
(l) Question: What do we learn from "O la'Ayil ha'Echad"?
(m) Answer: The Torah specified different Nesachim for sheep
in their first and second years, one might have thought
that it likewise distinguishes between the second and
1. "La'Ayil ha'Echad" teaches that we do not
(n) Question: What do we learn from "O la'Seh va'Kevasim"?
(o) Answer: The Torah specified different Nesachim for male
sheep in their first and second years, one might have
thought that it likewise distinguishes between female
sheep in their first and second years;
1. "O la'Seh va'Kevasim" teaches that we do not
distinguish (both are one Isaron with three Lugim of
oil and of wine, like a male lamb.)
(p) Question: What do we learn from "O va'Izim"?
(q) Answer: The Torah specified different Nesachim for adult
and baby sheep, one might have thought that it likewise
distinguishes between adult and baby goats;
1. "O va'Izim" teaches that we do not distinguish (both
are one Isaron with three Lugim, like lambs.)
(r) Question (Rava): What is the Nesech for an adult female
sheep? (Rava knew the answer, he was testing his
(s) Answer (Rav Papa and other Talmidim - Mishnah): (One who
needed Nesachim would pay and receive one of four kinds
of vouchers.) The voucher for a kid was used for the
Nesachim of adult and baby (flock) animals, for males and
females, except for rams.