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Previous daf Menachos 89
1) OIL FOR "LACHMEI TODAH" AND "LACHMEI NAZIR"
(a) (Mishnah): A half-Log of oil is used for Todah.
2) OIL FOR "MENACHOS"
(b) (Beraisa - R. Akiva) Question: (It says "Chalos Matzos
Belulos ba'Shemen u'Rekikei Matzos Meshuchim ba'Shamen) -
why must it say 'Shemen' twice?
1. Answer: If it only said 'Shemen' once, we would have
thought that these are like all other Menachos, they
have one Log of oil;
i. Therefore, it says 'Shemen' twice, two Ribuyim
(inclusions) to include the same thing really
come to exclude, we deduct half a Log, only a
half-Log is used.
2. Question: This is not two Ribuyim (one is needed to
teach that oil is used!)
3. Answer: Had it not said 'Shemen' at all, we would
have said that one Log is used, like other Menachos
- therefore, the two words 'Shemen' are two Ribuyim.
4. Suggestion: Perhaps the half-Log is evenly divided
among the three kinds of Matzah (the verse ends,
"V'Soles Murbeches Belulos ba'Shamen")!
5. Rejection: There was no need to mention oil
regarding Revuchah (we would have learned from
Chavitim, which are also called Revuchah and have
i. It is mentioned to teach that it has more oil,
i.e. half of the half-Log is for the Revuchah,
the other half (of the half-Log) is for the
Chalos and Rekikim.
6. R. Elazar ben Azaryah: I do not accept your Drashos
- rather, a tradition from Sinai teaches a half-Log
for Lachmei Todah (R. Gershom - that it is split
equally among the three kinds of Matzah), a
quarter-Log for Lachmei Nazir, and 11 days (of
Zivah) that separate between Nidos (i.e. days on
which any blood seen is Dam Nidah.)
(a) (Mishnah): The Log was used for Menachos.
3) OIL FOR THE "MENORAH"
(b) (Beraisa - Chachamim): Regarding a poor Metzora it says
"V'Isaron...Balul...v'Log" - this teaches that each
Isaron (of Soles) requires a Log (of oil);
(c) R. Nechemyah and R. Eliezer say, only one Log is used,
even for a Minchah of 60 Esronim - "L'Minchah v'Log
(d) Question: How do R. Nechemyah and R. Eliezer expound
(e) Answer: This teaches that the Oni must bring an Isaron
(with a Log of oil.)
1. Chachamim say, we already know that - since a rich
person brings three Zevachim and three Esronim,
surely an Oni, who bring one Zevach, brings one
(f) Question: How do Chachamim expound "L'Minchah v'Log
2. They answer, since the Torah is lenient on the Oni,
one might have thought that he does not bring a
Minchah at all!
3. Chachamim say, we never find a Zevach (except for
Bechor, Ma'aser and Pesach, which never have
Nesachim) brought without Nesachim.
(g) Answer: This teaches that one who volunteers to bring a
Minchah must bring at least the amount of Soles that
requires a Log of oil, i.e. an Isaron.
(h) R. Nechemyah and R. Eliezer also learn this from the
verse (in addition to learning that one Log is used even
for a big Minchah.)
(i) (Mishnah): Six Lugim are for a bull, four for a ram,
three for a lamb.
(j) Question: What is the source for this?
(k) Answer: "V'Niskeihem Chetzi ha'Hin Yihyeh la'Par...";
1. We know that a Hin is 12 Lugim from "Shemen Mishchas
Kodesh Yihyeh Zeh Li" - the Gematri'a of "Zeh" is
(a) (Mishnah): Three and a half Lugim were used for the
Menorah, half a Log for each lamp.
4) MIXING "NESACHIM"
(b) Question: What is the source of this?
(c) Answer (Beraisa): "Me'Erev Ad Boker" - we put enough oil
in to burn from evening until morning;
1. This also teaches that Hadlakas ha'Menorah is the
only Avodah that applies all night.
(d) Opinion #1: They estimated from above (first they used
more than a half-Log - when they saw that it was too
much, they successively used less until they found the
2. Chachamim estimated that a half-Log suffices (for
the longest nights, i.e. in winter.)
(e) Opinion #2: They estimated from below (first they used
less, they successively used more until they found the
(f) Opinion #2 says that they started putting too little -
the Torah is concerned for money of Yisrael (extra oil
put inside cannot be salvaged);
(g) Opinion #1 says that they started putting too much - we
do not conduct like paupers in the place of wealth (the
(a) (Mishnah): The following Nesachim may be mixed with each
1. Nesachim of bulls with Nesachim of rams (these have
the same consistency, two Lugim of oil per Isaron of
2. Nesachim of lambs with each other, Nesachim of
Korbanos Yachid with those of Korbanos Tzibur,
Nesachim of today with those of yesterday;
(b) We may not mix Nesachim of lambs (which have three Lugim
of oil for one Isaron) with those of bulls or rams;
5) THE LAMB BROUGHT WITH THE "OMER"
1. If each Nesech was Balul (mixed with oil) by itself,
and then the Nesachim became mixed, they are
(c) The Minchah of the lamb brought with the Omer is (two
Esronim,) twice the usual Minchas Nesachim for a lamb,
but its Nesech (of wine) is the usual size (three Lugim.)
2. If the Nesachim became mixed before Blilah, they are
(d) (Gemara) Contradiction (Beraisa): "V'Hiktir*o*" - we may
not mix the Chelev of different animals together. (Our
Mishnah permits mixing Nesachim of bulls and rams!)
(e) Answer #1 (R. Yochanan): The Mishnah teaches that
b'Diavad, if the Nesachim were mixed, they are Kesherim.
(f) Question: If so, when the Mishnah forbids mixing Nesachim
of lambs with those of bulls, we must say that even
b'Diavad, they are Pesulim;
1. But the Seifa says, if each Nesech was Balul by
itself and then they were mixed, they are Kesherim;
implying that in the Reisha they may be mixed
(g) Answer (Abaye): R. Yochanan means, if the Menachos became
mixed, the Nesachim *of wine* may be mixed.
(h) Objection: This implies that (if the Menachos were not
mixed) the wines may not be mixed - a Beraisa contradicts
1. (Beraisa): This refers to Menachos (of Nesachim),
but the wines may be mixed.
(i) Answer #2 (Abaye): After Haktaras ha'Menachos,
l'Chatchilah we may mix the wines (Rashi Kesav Yad - no
matter which animals they are for; Rambam - only if the
accompanying Menachos have the same consistency);
1. Before Haktarah - if Menachos (of the same
consistency) became mixed, the corresponding wines
may be mixed;decree, lest one will mix the
2. If the Menachos were not mixed, the wines may not be
mixed - this is a
(a) (Mishnah): The Minchah of the lamb brought with the
(b) (Beraisa): "U'Minchaso Shnei Esronim" - this teaches that
the Minchah of the lamb brought with the Omer is twice
the usual Minchas Nesachim for a lamb;
1. Suggestion: Perhaps also the wine is double the
(c) (R. Yochanan): If Asham Metzora was slaughtered Lo
Lishmah, it requires Nesachim;
2. Rejection: "V'Nisko Yayin Revi'is ha'Hin".
3. Suggestion: Perhaps the wine is not double, for it
is not mixed with the Minchah, but oil is mixed with
the Minchah, it is also double!
4. Rejection: "V'Nisko" - every liquid for its Nesachim
is a Revi'is.
5. Question: How do we learn this from the verse?
6. Answer (R. Elazar): It is written "V'Niskah" (its
(feminine) Nesech, i.e. (oil) of the Minchah), we
read it "V'Nisko" (its (masculine) Nesech, i.e.
(wine) of the lamb) - this equates the oil to the
wine, it is also a Revi'is.
1. If it would not have Nesachim, it would be Pasul.
(d) Questions (Rav Menasiya bar Gada): If so, if the lamb
brought with the Omer was slaughtered Lo Lishmah, it
should likewise require a double Minchah (as if it was
Lishmah), if not it should be Pasul;
1. If the morning Tamid was slaughtered Lo Lishmah, we
should need to have one Kohen bring two logs for the
Ma'arachah with it (as if it was Lishmah), if not it
should be Pasul! (Likewise, for the afternoon Tamid,
two Kohanim must bring two logs.)
(e) Answer #1 (Abaye): Indeed, that is true - R. Yochanan did
not teach about Asham Metzora to exclude those, he merely
taught one example.