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Previous daf Menachos 73
1) KOHANIM MAY NOT TRADE PORTIONS
(a) Question: We need this verse for the following teaching!
1. (Beraisa) Question: From where do we know that
Menachos may not be traded for Zevachim?
(b) Answer: The Beraisa learns from 'Kol', Chizkiyah learns
2. Answer: "V'Chol Minchah...l'Chol Benei Aharon
3. Suggestion: Perhaps Menachos may not be traded for
Zevachim, because a (moderately) poor person never
brings a Minchah in place of an animal, but Menachos
may be traded for birds, because a very poor person
brings a Minchah in place of birds!
4. Rejection: "V'Chol Na'aseh b'Marcheshes l'Chol Benei
5. Suggestion: Perhaps Menachos may not be traded for
birds, because birds have blood and Menachos are
made of flour, but birds may be traded for animals,
because both have blood!
6. Rejection: "V'Al Machavas l'Chol Benei Aharon
Tihyeh" (the verse is not needed to teach about
Menachos, it is expounded to teach about other
7. Suggestion: Perhaps birds may not be traded for
animals, because animals require a Kli (for
slaughter; alternatively, for Kabalah), birds do not
(the Kohen does Melikah (and Haza'ah and Mitzuy)
with his bare hand), but Menachos may be traded for
other Menachos, since the hand is used for (Kemitzah
of) both of them!
8. Rejection: "V'Chol Minchah Velulah
va'Shemen...l'Chol Benei Aharon Tihyeh".
9. Suggestion: Perhaps (Menachos cooked in) Marcheshes
and Machavas may not be traded for each other, for
the former are soft and the latter are hard, but
Menachos of the same consistency may be traded for
10. Rejection: "...Va'Charevah l'Chol Benei Aharon
11. Suggestion: Perhaps Kohanim may not trade Kodshei
Kodashim, but they may trade Kodshim Kalim.
12. Rejection: "Ish k'Achiv...V'Im Al Todah" - just as
they may not trade (Menachos which are) Kodshei
Kodashim, they may not trade Kodshim Kalim.
13. "Ish" - a man receives a share, even a Ba'al Mum, a
minor does not receive, even if he is Tam.
(c) Question: We need this verse for R. Yosi b'Rebbi
Yehudah's teaching (that a Minchah may not be half Chalos
and half Rekikim! Tosfos - even though we explain R.
Shimon's opinion, and the Gemara in Kidushin says that R.
Yehudah taught this Beraisa, and both of them argue with
R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah, we ask whether R. Yosi can agree
with the Beraisa.)
(d) Answer: R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah learns from the extra
'Vov' in "v'Chol".
(e) Answer #2 (to Question 4:k, 72B - Ravina): He learns like
1. (Beraisa - Levi): "Kol Korbanam (...Lecha Hu
ul'Vanecha)" - this includes the Log of oil of a
Metzora (that Kohanim eat the remainder after
i. One might have thought, Kohanim only get "Min
ha'Esh" (none of the oil is offered on the
2. "L'Chol Minchasam" - this includes the Omer and
i. One might have thought, "V'Achlu Osam Asher
Kupar Bahem" only teaches that Kohanim eat
Korbanos brought for atonement, but the Omer
permits and Minchas Sotah clarifies (whether or
not she is guilty.)
3. "Ul'Chol Chatasam" - this includes Chatas ha'Of;
i. One might have thought that it may not be
eaten, for it is Neveilah (Melikah is not
4. "Ul'Chol Ashamam" - this includes Asham Nazir and
5. Objection: Regarding Asham Metzora it says
6. Correction: It means, we include Asham Nazir like
i. One might have thought that Asham Nazir is not
eaten, for it is not brought for atonement,
only to permit (a Nazir (who became Tamei Mes,
then became Tahor) to begin Nezirus Taharah.
Rashi Kesav Yad, R. Gershom, Shitah Mekubetzes
and Rashba all say that it also permits him to
wine and/or Tum'ah - perhaps they mean, it will
enable him to finish Nezirus Taharah sooner and
drink wine/become Tamei.)
7. "Asher Yashivu" - this refers to Gezel ha'Ger (one
who stole from a convert and swore to deny it, and
wants to do Teshuvah after the convert died without
heirs, he brings an Asham and gives the money and an
added fifth to the Kohen);
i. "Lecha Hu ul'Vanecha" - Kohanim totally own the
money, they may Mekadesh a woman with it
(unlike Kodshim, which are Hash-m's, Kohanim
merely have the right to eat them.)
2) "KODSHIM" OF NOCHRIM
(a) (Rav Huna): The Shelamim of a Nochri is an Olah - we
learn from reasoning or a verse:
3) "MINCHAS CHOTEI" OF "KOHANIM"
1. It is reasonable that it is an Olah, for a Nochri
intends that his Korban go entirely to Hash-m;
(b) Question (R. Chama bar Gurya - Beraisa): If a Nochri
volunteered to bring a Shelamim:
2. We can also learn from "Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m
l'Olah" - whatever he offers is an Olah.
1. If he gave it to a Yisrael, the Yisrael eats it;
(c) Answer (Rava): It means, if he gave it to a Yisrael
(Rashi - who was obligated to bring a Shelamim) to be
offered on behalf of the Yisrael, the Yisrael eats it; if
he gave it to be offered on behalf of a Kohen, the Kohen
eats it. (Rav Huna discusses a Nochri who brings a
Shelamim without specifying, i.e. on behalf of himself.)
2. If he gave it to a Kohen, the Kohen eats it.
(d) Question (Rav Shizbi - Mishnah): Kemitzah is taken from
the following Menachos and the Shirayim are eaten by
Kohanim - ...Minchas Nochrim...(likewise, Shelamim of a
Nochri should be eaten!)
(e) Answer (R. Yochanan): Our Mishnah is like R. Yosi
ha'Galili, Rav Huna's law is like R. Akiva. (Apparently,
this is also a second answer to Question (b).)
1. (Beraisa - R. Yosi ha'Galili) Question: What do we
learn from "Ish Ish (...Asher Yakriv)"?
(f) Question: A different verse excludes Nochrim from Nezirus
- "Daber El Benei Yisrael...Ish...Ki Yafli Lindor Neder
Nazir", only a Yisrael may become a Nazir!
2. Answer: This teaches that Nochrim may offer
Korbanos, like Yisrael.
3. Question: The verse continues "...Asher Yakrivu
la'Sh-m l'Olah" - what is the source that Nochrim
may offer Shelamim?
4. Answer: It also says "Nidreihem".
5. Question: What is the source that Nochrim may offer
6. Answer: It also says "Nidvosam".
7. Question: What is the source that Nochrim may offer
birds, wine, Levonah and wood?
8. Answer: It says "*L'Chol* Nidreihem *ul'Chol*
9. Question: Since they may offer all of these, why
does it specify "l'Olah"?
10. Answer: This excludes (Korbanos of) Nezirus
11. R. Akiva says, "Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m l'Olah"
teaches that that may offer only Olos.
(g) Answer: If we only had the verse "Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m
l'Olah", one might have thought that Nochrim can be
Nezirim, just they are exempt from Korbanos Nazir;
1. "Benei Yisrael...Neder Nazir" totally excludes
Nochrim from Nezirus.
(h) Question: Like which Tana is the following Mishnah?
1. (Mishnah - R. Shimon): (If someone found an animal
near Yerushalayim and wants to Makriv it on behalf
of the loser (perhaps it is a Korban), the Tzibur
brings the Nesachim;) this is one of seven
enactments of Beis Din;
(i) Answer: No, it is even like R. Akiva - he means, Nochrim
bring Olos and all their accompaniments.
2. Another enactment - if a Nochri sent an Olah to be
offered in the Mikdash and (money for) its Nesachim,
we offer the Nesachim from his money;
i. If he sent an Olah without Nesachim, the Tzibur
pays for the Nesachim.
3. Suggestion: This is like R. Yosi ha'Galili, it is
not like R. Akiva.
(j) Question: Who is the Tana of the following Beraisa - it
is not like R. Yosi ha'Galili nor like R. Akiva!
1. (Beraisa): "Ezrach" - a Yisrael brings Nesachim, a
Nochri does not.
(k) Answer: It can be like R. Yosi, just we must delete
'wine' from the text of the Beraisa (e:1);
2. Suggestion: Perhaps a Nochri's Olah does not require
3. Rejection: "Kachach" (Nesachim are Me'akev.)
i. It is not like R. Yosi ha'Galili - he says that
Nochrim may bring even wine!
ii. It is not like R. Akiva - he holds that Nochrim
bring only Olos (their Korbanos do not require
1. It can be like R. Akiva - Nochrim bring Olos and all
(a) (Mishnah - R. Shimon): Minchas Chotei of Kohanim (is
(b) Question: What is the source of this?
(c) Answer (Beraisa): "V'Haysah la'Kohen ka'Minchah" - a
Kohen may offer his own Minchas Chotei.
1. Suggestion: Perhaps it rather permits eating
(Shirayim of) Minchas Kohanim!
i. Question: If so, how would we fulfill "V'Chol
Minchas Kohen Kalil Tihyeh Lo Se'achel"?
2. Answer: "V'Haysah la'Kohen ka'Minchah" - this
equates his Chovah to his Nedavah;
ii. Answer: That would apply to a Kohen's Minchas
Nedavah, not to his Chovah
i. Just like his Chovah is not eaten, also his