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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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MENACHOS 46 - Dedicated by Mr. and Mrs. D. Kornfeld in honor of the births
of three first-born Turkel grandchildren: Ohr Esther, to Eitan and Ayeleth
Turkel of Raanana; Yael Nechamah to Avi and Esti Turkel of Passaic; and a
baby boy to Shoshi [Turkel] and Yossi Kaufman of Manchester. Mazel Tov to
the proud parents and grandparents!
1) ZIKAH OF THE BREAD AND LAMBS
(a) (R. Yochanan): All agree that if the bread and lambs were
Huzkeku (committed) to (be brought with) each other, they
are Me'akev each other;
1. Slaughter is Zokek.
(b) (Ula): Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael were unsure whether or
not Tenufah is Zokek.
1. Question: We should be able to answer this from R.
Yochanan, who said that slaughter is Zokek (implying
that Tenufah, which is before slaughter, is not!)
(c) This question is not resolved.
2. Answer: It is doubtful what R. Yochanan himself
i. Perhaps he was sure that slaughter is Zokek,
and Tenufah is not;
ii. Or, perhaps he was sure that slaughter is
Zokek, and was unsure about Tenufah - he only
said the law he was sure about.
(d) Question (R. Yehudah ben Chanina): "Kodesh Yihyu la'Sh-m
la'Kohen" is written after Tenufah, yet they argue (each
says that one is not Me'akev the other - this resolves
the question, Tenufah is not Zokek!)
1. Counter-question (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua): The
verse is written after slaughter (only then the
lambs belong to the Kohen), yet they argue (even
though slaughter is Zokek!)
(e) Answer: Likewise, the verse refers to (whichever is
Me'akev) before Tenufah, and says that they *will be* to
2. Answer: You must say, the verse refers to (the lambs
or bread, whichever is Me'akev) before slaughter,
and says that they *will be* to the Kohen (after
(f) Question: Is it really true that slaughter is Zokek?!
1. Question (Beraisa): If (some) loaves of Lachmei
Todah became Chaser before slaughter (of the Todah),
new loaves are brought, the Todah is slaughtered
(and it is fully Kosher);
(g) Answer: Todah is different, for the Torah calls it
'Shelamim' - just as Shelamim is brought without bread,
Todah may be brought (l'Shem Shelamim) without bread.
2. If they became Chaser after slaughter (but before
Zerikah), Zerikah is done (l'Shem Shelamim), the
Todah is Kosher, its meat is eaten, the owner did
not fulfill his vow (to bring a Todah), (all of) the
bread is forbidden;
3. If they were broken after Zerikah, (the Todah is
fully Kosher, just) Terumah (the Kohen's portion,
one loaf each kind) must be taken from full loaves
to exempt (all the others, including) the broken
4. If loaves left Yerushalayim before slaughter, they
are returned, the Todah is slaughtered;
5. If they left after slaughter, Zerikah is done, the
Todah is Kosher, the meat is eaten, the vow was not
fulfilled, the bread is forbidden;
6. If they left after Zerikah, Terumah must be taken
from bread that did not leave to exempt (all the
bread, including) the bread that left.
7. If loaves became Teme'im before slaughter, more
loaves are brought, the Todah is slaughtered;
8. If they became Teme'im after slaughter, Zerikah is
done, the Todah is Kosher, the meat is eaten; the
vow *was* fulfilled because the Tzitz is Meratzeh ,
but the bread is forbidden;
9. If they became Teme'im after Zerikah, Terumah must
be taken from Tahor bread to exempt (all, including)
10. Summation of question: If slaughter is Zokek, when
loaves were broken (or left or Nitma'u) after
slaughter, also the Todah should become Pasul!
(h) (R. Yirmeyah): If Tenufah is Zokek:
2) WHAT IS MEKADESH THE BREAD?
1. If (after Tenufah) Shtei ha'Lechem were lost (or
Nifsalim), the lambs are Nifsalim; if the lambs were
lost, the bread is Nifsal;
(i) Question: If Tenufah is not Zokek:
1. If (after Tenufah with the lambs) the bread was lost
and new bread was brought, does it require Tenufah
with the lambs?
(j) This question is not resolved.
2. There is no question if the lambs were lost, surely
Tenufah is required (for they permit the bread);
3. Even when the bread was lost, there is no question
according to Ben Nanas, who says that the lambs are
primary (surely, another Tenufah is not required);
4. The question is according to R. Akiva, who says that
the bread is primary:
i. Since the bread is primary, Tenufah is
ii. Or, since the lambs permit the bread, no other
Tenufah is required?
(a) Question (Abaye): What is the difference between the two
lambs, which are Mekadesh the bread and are Me'akev it,
and the seven lambs, which are neither Mekadesh the bread
nor Me'akev it?
3) SHTEI HA'LECHEM WITHOUT THE LAMBS
(b) Answer #1 (Rava): The bread is waved (Tenufah) with the
two lambs, not with the seven.
(c) Rejection: Lachmei Todah are not waved with the Todah,
yet the Todah is Mekadesh the bread and is Me'akev it!
(d) Answer #2: We learn from Todah - it is a Shelamim, it is
Mekadesh and Me'akev the bread - likewise, only Shelamim
(the two lambs) are Mekadesh and Me'akev the bread (but
the seven lambs, Olos, are not.)
(e) Rejection: We cannot learn from Lachmei Todah, for no
other Korban accompanies them - other Korbanos are
brought with Shtei ha'Lechem, perhaps all are Mekadesh
(f) Answer #3: We learn from Lachmei Nazir - three Korbanos
accompany them, yet only Ayil Nazir, the Shelamim, is
Mekadesh the bread - likewise, only the two lambs are
Mekadesh Shtei ha'Lechem!
(g) Question: What is the source that only Ayil Nazir is
Mekadesh the bread?
(h) Answer (Beraisa): "V'Es ha'Ayil Ya'aseh Zevach Shelamim
la'Sh-m Al Sal ha'Matzos" - this teaches that the bread
is a Chovah of the ram, and slaughter of the ram is
1. Therefore, if the ram was slaughtered Lo Lishmah,
the bread is not Mekudash.
(a) (Beraisa): If Shtei ha'Lechem was brought by itself, we
wait for Ibur Tzurah (for it to become Nifsal on account
(b) Question: Either way you say, this is difficult!
1. If Shtei ha'Lechem brought by itself may be eaten,
it should be eaten;
(c) Answer #1 (Rabah): Mid'Oraisa, it may be eaten -
Chachamim decreed not to eat it, lest the next year the
two lambs will be brought, and Kohanim will eat the bread
before offering the lambs (because they recall that the
previous year the bread did not need lambs to permit it -
they will not realize that when the lambs are brought,
the lambs permit it.)
2. If it must be burned, it should be burned right
away, why must we wait for Ibur Tzurah?!
(d) Support (Rabah, for himself - Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If a
Kohen is Shokel (gives a half-Shekel), he does not
1. R. Yochanan ben Zakai: Rather, a Kohen that does not
(e) Rejection (and Answer #2 to Question (1) - Abaye):
Really, it was brought with the lambs;
2. Kohanim (incorrectly) expound the following, to
i. "V'Chol Minchas Kohen Kalil Tihyeh Lo
Se'achel"- if Kohanim would Shokel, they would
be (joint) owners of (all Korbanos Tzibur,
including) the Omer, Lechem ha'Panim and Shtei
ha'Lechem, they could not be eaten!
3. Question: What is the case of Shtei ha'Lechem?
i. If it was brought with the two lambs, even if
it belongs (also) to Kohanim it may be eaten,
just like a Kohen who brings Lachmei Todah with
4. Answer #1: Rather, it was brought without the lambs,
and the Mishnah says that it may be eaten!
1. We cannot learn from Todah, for Lachmei Todah are
not called 'Minchah' (therefore, "V'Chol Minchas
Kohen..." does not apply to it), but Shtei ha'Lechem
is called Minchah - "B'Hakrivchem Minchah Chadashah
(f) Answer #2 (to Question (j) - Rav Yosef): Really, it must
1. It may not be burned right away, because we do not
burn Kodshim on Yom Tov.
(g) Objection (Abaye): That Halachah (we do not burn Kodshim
on Yom Tov) refers to Kodshim that (b'Diavad) became
Pesulim - Shtei ha'Lechem brought by itself should be
burned, this may be done on Yom Tov, like the burning of
the bull and ram of Yom Kipur!
(h) Answer #3 (Rav Yosef): (It must be burned;) Chachamim
decreed not to burn it right away, perhaps lambs will be
found later in the day (after offering them, the bread
may be eaten.)
(i) Question (Abaye): This explains why they should not be
burned as long as it would be permitted to offer the two
lambs (Rashi - until the afternoon Tamid; Tosfos - until
night. (Presumably, since blood is Nifsal at Shki'ah,
even slightly before this; it is clear that there is not
time to offer the lambs.))
(j) Answer (Rav Yosef): Indeed, when the Mishnah says Ibur
Tzurah, it refers to this time.
(k) Defense of Answer #1 (Rava): Really, it may be eaten;
Chachamim decreed, lest Kohanim err the next year when
lambs will be brought;
1. This is like Rabah, but I (Rava) learn from a
2. "Mi'Moshvoseichem Tavi'u Lechem Tenufah" - just as
Bikurim are brought by themselves, and are eaten,
Shtei ha'Lechem may be brought by themselves, and