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MENACHOS 20 (30 Tishrei) - dedicated by Reb Mordechai Rabin
(London/Yerushalayim) l'Iluy Nishmas his father, ha'Gaon Rav Gedalya
Rabinowitz of Manchester, England (and in his later years, Bnei Brak,
Israel). Hearing a Shiur of ha'Gaon Rav Gedalya's was an unforgettable
experience, as his many Talmidim, both Bnei Yeshiva and Ba'alei Batim, can
1) IS SALT "ME'AKEV"?
(a) Question (Rav Huna): The Torah did not repeat salt, yet
it is Me'akev!
2) WHICH "KORBANOS" MUST BE SALTED?
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): "Bris Melach Olam" - there
is a covenant with salt.
(b) Answer #1 (Rav Yosef): Rav holds like our Tana, who is
Machshir a Korban without salt.
2. R. Shimon says, it says "Bris Melach Olam", and it
says "Bris Kehunas Olam" - just like Korbanos
require Kehunah, they require salt.
(c) Question (Abaye): If so, we should similarly Machshir if
Yetzikah was not done at all (but we did not explain the
Mishnah (18A) thusly!)
1. Rather, (the Mishnah is Machshir when) a Kohen did
not do Yetzikah, rather, a Yisrael did.
(d) Answer (Rav Yosef): A Yisrael may not approach the
Mizbe'ach to salt (therefore, we must say that it was not
salted at all.)
2. Similarly, (it is Machshir when) a Kohen did not
salt, rather, a Yisrael did.
(e) Answer #2 (to Question (a)): Since it says "Bris", it is
as if it was repeated.
(f) Question: Salt is repeated - "V'Chol Korban Minchascha
(g) Answer: That is needed for the following teaching:
1. (Beraisa): Had it said 'Korban ba'Melach', one might
have thought even wood and blood must be salted, for
they are called Korban;
i. Therefore, it says 'Minchas' - just like
Minchah requires other things (it must be
burned on wood), all Korbanos that require
other things must be salted.
2. Suggestion: Perhaps we include things that permit,
like Minchah - this would include blood!
3. Rejection: "Me'Al Minchasecha" - not on blood.
4. Suggestion: Perhaps all of the Minchah must be
5. Rejection: "Korban" - only the part that is a Korban
(Huktar) must be salted.
6. Question: This only teaches that the Kometz must be
salted - what is the source for Levonah?
7. Answer: We include Levonah, for it is in the Kli
with the Minchah.
8. Question: What is the source for the following?
i. Levonah brought by itself, or in Bazichim
(brought with Lechem ha'Panim), Ketores,
Minchas Kohanim, Chavitiei Kohen Gadol, Minchas
9. Answer: "Al Kol Korbancha Takriv Melach".
ii. Eimurim of Chatas, Asham and other Kodshei
Kodoshim, and of Kodshim Kalim, Ivrei Olah and
(a) Question: The Beraisa said that we include Levonah for it
is in the Kli with the Minchah - but we already included
Korbanos that require other things!
(b) Answer: The Beraisa suggested, perhaps we should expound
"Korban...Minchah" according to Klal and Prat - from Klal
and Prat we only include the Prat, i.e. Minchah;
1. Since there is another Klal, "Korbancha", we expound
Klal, Prat and Klal, and include everything similar
to the Prat, i.e. Korbanos that require other
(c) Question: Why don't we say, just like Minchah requires
Levonah (to accompany it), we include blood, which is
accompanied by Nesachim (of wine)!
2. Just like Minchah requires wood (to burn the
Kometz), we include all Korbanos that require wood.
(d) Answer #1: Nesachim are considered an accompaniment for
Eimurim, not for blood.
1. Question: What is the reason?
(e) Answer #2: Nesachim are unlike Levonah - Levonah is in
the Kli with the Minchah, Nesachim are not in the Kli
with the blood;
2. Answer: (The Torah uses the word 'Achilah' regarding
the Mizbe'ach -) eating and drinking go together.
3. Objection: Rather, we should say that wine
accompanies the blood - after Kaparah (Zerikah),
there is joy!
1. However, all Korbanos (that are burned) require wood
in the same way.
(f) Question: Why don't we include everything similar to the
Prat, i.e. Korbanos that require other things *and*
1. This would include only Levonah brought in Bazichim,
which permits Lechem ha'Panim!
(g) Answer: It says "Me'Al Minchasecha" to exclude blood -
otherwise, we would have included it, i.e. we include
Korbanos that require other things, even if they do not
(h) Question (Beraisa): "Me'Al Minchasecha" excludes blood;
1. Why don't we use this to exclude limbs?
(i) Answer: It is more reasonable to include limbs, for they
resemble Minchah in the following ways (the Siman to
remember them is AShBaN TaMEi):
1. They require Acherim (other things), they are burned
on the ESh (fire), they are offered exclusively
B'Chutz (outside the Heichal), Nosar, Tamei and
Me'ilah apply to them (Tosfos - the Gemara omitted
the last similarity, they are also Ochel (food).)
(j) Question: It is more reasonable to include blood, for it
permits and is Nifsal at sundown, like Minchah!
(k) Answer: There are more similarities to limbs.
(l) (Beraisa): Had it said 'Korban ba'Melach', one might have
thought even wood and blood must be salted, for they are
(m) Question: Our Tana is Rebbi, who says that wood is called
Korban - Rebbi requires salt!
1. (Beraisa): "Korban" - this teaches that one may
bring a Nedavah of wood.
(n) Answer: We must delete 'wood' from the text of the
i. One must bring at least two large branches -
"Veha'Goralos Hipalnu Al Korban ha'Etzim".
2. Rebbi says, wood is considered a Korban Minchah, it
3. (Rav Papa): According to Rebbi, a Nedavah of wood
requires (must be burned on) other wood.