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by Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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MEGILAH 27 (23 Tishrei) - dedicated anonymously by a student of the Daf in
Har Nof, Yerushalayim, l'Iluy Nishmas Aviva Ahuva bas Shalom, on her Yahrzeit
1) THE KEDUSHAS OF SHULS AND BEIS MEDRASHES
(a) (Rav Acha): Presumably, Rav Papi is correct, for R.
Yehoshua Ben Levi learned that way.
2) MAY WE TRANSFER TO THE SAME KEDUSHA?
1. "Every great house" - R. Yehoshua Ben Levi and R.
Yochanan argued; one said this is a Beis Medrash -
"Hashem ... made the Torah great".
2. One said it is a shul - "the great deeds of Elisha"
- he did these through prayer.
3. Since R. Yehoshua Ben Levi said that a Beis Medrash
is holier, he must hold the first way.
(a) Question: May we sell an old Sefer Torah to buy a new
3) LEFTOVER MONEY
1. Since we do not raise the Kedushah, no.
(b) Answer: The Mishna said, one may not sell a Sefer Torah
to but Seforim - implying, we may sell to buy a Sefer
2. Or perhaps, since there is no higher Kedushah, yes.
(c) Rejection: That is only B'diavad - the question is, may
we sell L'chatchila!
(d) Answer (Beraisa): We may wrap a Sefer Torah with covers
of Chumashim; Chumashim may be wrapped with covers of
prophets or Kesuvim; we may not wrap prophets or Kesuvim
with covers of Chumashim, nor Chumashim with covers of a
1. We infer from the start of the Beraisa that we may
not wrap a Sefer Torah with the cover of a different
(e) Answer (Beraisa): We may put a Sefer Torah on a Sefer
Torah or on Chumashim (the same or a lower Kedushah); we
may not put a Sefer on a Sefer of higher Kedushah.
2. But the end implies that we may!
3. We cannot resolve our question from this Beraisa.
1. Just as we may put one Sefer Torah on another, so
too we may sell one to buy another.
(f) Answer: Rabah Bar Bar Chanah said, we may not sell an old
Sefer Torah to buy a new one.
2. Rejection: You cannot bring a proof from there - one
must rest Seforim on Seforim - when they are written
together in one parchment, Seforim are wound on
(g) Rejection: There, the concern is that he will neglect to
buy a new one. Our question is when he is ready to buy
the new one immediately.
(h) Answer: R. Yochanan said that we may only sell a Sefer
Torah to learn Torah or marry a woman - we see, one may
sell Torah for Torah.
(i) Rejection: Perhaps one may only sell to learn (since
learning is great, it brings to fulfilling) or to marry
(the purpose of the world is to be settled with people),
but not to buy a Sefer Torah. (The question is left
(j) (Beraisa): One may not sell a Sefer Torah even though he
doesn't need it. R. Shimon Ben Gamliel said even further:
one who lacks what to eat and sells a Sefer Torah or his
daughter will see no blessing from the money!
(a) (Rava): The Mishnah only said that extra money (after
buying the higher Kedushah) has the same law regarding a
sale; if a collection was made, the extra money has no
(b) Question (Abaye - Beraisa): If a condition was made, the
extra money can even be used for a horseman.
1. We cannot be dealing with a sale - a condition would
(c) Answer: Really, it was a sale. If the 7 city directors
made a condition, the extra money may be used as desired.
2. We must be dealing with a collection - we see,
without a condition, the extra money has Kedushah!
(d) R. Yochanan: If people of a city that went to a different
city, and they imposed on them to give an amount to
tzedaka, they must give. When they return, they take the
money with them to give to the poor of their city.
(e) A Beraisa teaches this same law. It also says that for an
individual, his money goes to the poor of the city he
(f) Rav Huna declared a fast. People of Rav Chana Bar
Chanilai's city came. Tzedaka was imposed on them; they
gave. When they were leaving, they wanted to take the
money to the poor of their city.
(g) Rav Huna refused; a Beraisa teaches, when a Chacham is
appointed over the communal needs, all is done as he sees
4) SELLIND?G A SHUL
1. All the moreso here, since the poor of both cities
rely on Rav Huna.
(a) (Mishnah): R. Meir says, we may not sell a public shul to
an individual, since this lessens its Kedushah; Chachamim
permit this - if not, one may not even sell from a large
city to a small city!
5) ATTRIBUTES OF CHACHAMIM
(b) (Gemara - Question): How does R. Meir answer the
(c) Answer: A shul of a small city also has Kedushah, but not
of an individual.
(d) The Chachamim say, if we are concerned for the decrease
in Kedushah, we should also be concerned from a big city
to a small city.
(e) (Mishnah): R. Meir says, we may only sell a shul on
condition that it can be bought back;
(f) Chachamim say that it may be sold permanently, but not
for 4 things: to be a bathhouse, tannery, Mikvah, or a
place to urinate.
(g) R. Yehudah says, it is sold to be a courtyard; the buyer
then does as he wants.
(h) (Gemara - Question): According to R. Meir, there is a
problem of usury (if it is bought back, the buyer lived
there rent-free, as interest on his money)!
(i) Answer (R. Yochanan): R, Meir holds as R. Yehudah, that a
deal which *might* result in usury is allowed.
1. (Beraisa): One who owes money, and sells his field
to the creditor - if the seller eats the fruits, it
is permitted, but not if the buyer eats the fruits;
(j) (Rav Yehudah): One may urinate within 4 Amos of prayer.
2. R. Yehudah says that the buyer may eat the fruits;
R. Elazar Ben Azaryah sanctioned such a deal.
3. Chachamim: no, the case was, the seller ate the
4. They argue whether a deal which might result in
usury is allowed.
5. (Rava): No, they argue whether one may do this on
condition to return the interest if the field will
be bought back.
(k) (Rav Yosef): We know this from the Mishnah! R. Yehudah
permits the buyer to do as he pleases; and Chachamim only
prohibit making it a place to urinate, since the shul
used to be a fixed place of prayer!
1. We infer, they admit that 4 Amos from an un-fixed
place of prayer is allowed.
(l) One taught before Rav Nachman: One who davens must
distance 4 Amos before urinating; one who urinates must
distance 4 Amos before davening.
1. We understand the 2nd law - it is as a Mishnah, one
cannot daven within 4 Amos of urine or excrement.
2. Question: Why must one distance 4 Amos from a place
of prayer - this says that all streets of the city
have sanctity (travelers have davened)!
3. Answer: The teaching is, one must *wait* the time
needed to walk 4 Amos.
4. We understand the 2nd law - we want to ensure that
all drops have finished before he davens.
5. Question: Why must one wait after davening before
6. Answer (Rav Ashi): The words of prayer are still on
his lips for this time.
(a) R. Zachai attributed his long life to these merits: he
never urinated within 4 Amos of davening; he never made a
nickname for someone; he never missed making Kiddush on
1. Once, his mother sold her kerchief to buy for him
wine for Kiddush.
(b) R. Elazar Ben Shamua attributed his long life to these
merits: he never used a shul as a shortcut; he never
appeared to walk on the heads of Talmidim; he never said
Birkas Kohanim without blessing first.
2. (Beraisa): When she died, she left him 300 barrels
of wine; when he died, he left 3000 to his children.
3. Rav Huna gave his belt as a pledge to obtain wine
i. When Rav heard, he blessed him that he should
be covered with silk.
ii. This was fulfilled; Rav was upset that Rav Huna
had not returned the blessing.
R. Preida attributed his long life to these
merits: no one ever came to the Beis Medrash