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Kidushin 30

KIDUSHIN 24-30 (9-15 Sivan) - This week's study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) What did Rava tell Rebbi Nasan bar Ami to do, whilst his hand was still on his son's neck ...
  1. ... according to the first Lashon in Rashi?
  2. ... according to the second Lashon?
(b) What did Rava mean by 'whilst your hand is still on your son's neck'?

(c) The age-bracket that Rava cited is between sixteen and twenty-two, the same age-bracket as one opinion in the Beraisa where Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Nechemyah argue over the Pasuk in Mishlei "Chanoch le'Na'ar al'Pi Darko".
What does the other opinion say?

(d) What is the meaning of "al-Pi Darko"?

(a) In reply to the Sh'eilah 'Ad Heichan Chayav Adam Lelamed es B'no Torah?', Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel cited Zevulun ben Dan.
What do we know about Zevulun ben Dan?

(b) What does the Beraisa obligate a father to learn with his son?

(c) In light of this Beraisa, how do we establish Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel's response to the She'eilah? What was he really proving from Zevulun ben Dan?

(a) What does the Tana of a Beraisa learn from the Pasuk ...
  1. ... in Eikev "ve'Limadtem Osam es Beneichem"?
  2. ... in Va'eschanan "ve'Hoda'atam le'Vanecha ve'Livnei Vanecha"?
(b) How does Shmuel justify his opinion in light of this Beraisa?

(c) How does this Tana then explain the Pasuk "ve'Limadtem Osam es Beneichem"?

(d) What does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi learn from the juxtaposition of the Pasuk "Yom Asher Amadta Lifnei Hashem Elokecha be'Chorev" to "ve'Hoda'atam le'Vanecha ve'Livnei Vanecha"?

(a) Why was Rav Chiya bar Aba startled when he once met Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi taking his grandson to Shul?

(b) How did Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi explain his strange behavior?

(c) What effect did this subsequently have on Rav Chiya bar Aba?

(d) How would the latter learn with his grandson?

(a) How did Rav Safra quoting Rebbi Yehoshua explain the Pasuk in Va'eschanan "ve'Shinantam le'Vanecha"?

(b) On what grounds do we object to the original version 'Le'olam Yashlish Adam *Shenosav* ... '?

(c) How does the new text read?

(d) Why were the early sages called 'Sofrim'?

(a) What did the Sofrim say about ...
  1. ... the 'Vav' of "Gachon" in Shemini?
  2. ... the words "Darosh Dorash" in Shemini?
  3. ... the Pasuk "ve'Hisgalach" in Metzora?
(b) And what did they say about ...
  1. ... the 'Ayin' in "Yecharsemenah Chazir *mi'Ya'ar*" in Tehilim?
  2. ... the Pasuk in Tehilim "ve'Hu Rachum Yechaper Avon ... "?
(c) What did Rav Safra reply, when Rav Yosef asked him whether, seeing as there are an even number of letters in the Torah, the 'Vav' of "Gichon" is the letter before or the the letter after, the middle letter?

(d) On what grounds did Rav Yosef refute his reply, in spite of Rabah bar bar Chana, who had testified that others had indeed counted the letters under similar circumstances?

(a) When Rav Yosef asked the same She'eilah concerning "ve'Hisgalach" (since there are also an even number of Pesukim in the Torah), Rav Safra thought that they at least were experts in the Pesukim and that they should therefore count the Pesukim and find out.
How did Rav Yosef disillusion him? What did he tell him about the Pasuk in Yisro "Vayomer Hashem el Moshe Hinei Anochi Ba Eilecha be'Av he'Anan"?

(b) Assuming that there are 5,888 Pesukim in the Sefer Torah, how many should there be in ...

  1. ... Tehilim?
  2. ... Divrei Hayamim?
(c) Another Beraisa interprets "ve'Shinantam" differently than Rebbi Yehoshua ben Chananya.
How does that Tana interpret it? How does that coincide with the Pasuk in Mishlei "Emor la'Chochmah Achosi At"?

(d) He also quotes another Pasuk in Mishlei "Kashram al Etzbe'osecha, Kasvam al Lu'ach Libecha", and various Pesukim in Tehilim that refer to the words of Torah as arrows.
Who are the enemies referred to in the Pasuk "Ashrei ha'Gever Asher Milei es Ashpaso Meihem ... Ki Yedabru es Oyvim ba'Sha'ar"?
What is the significance of the Pasuk in Chukas "es Vahev be'Sufah"?

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(a) What is the acronym of "ve'Samtem"?

(b) What Mashal (about a man who hit his son) does the Tana of the Beraisa give to illustrate it?
What would happen if he were to remove the salve?

(c) How does the Tana interpret the Pasuk in Bereishis ...

  1. ... "ha'Lo Im Teitiv Se'eis"?
  2. ... "la'Pesach Chatas Rovetz"?
  3. ... "ve'Eilecha Teshukaso"?
  4. ... "ve'Atah Timshol Bo"?
(a) What does the Tana learn from the Pasuk in Bereishis ...
  1. ... "Ki Yetzer Lev ha'Adam Ra mi'Ne'urav"?
  2. ... "Rak Ra Kol ha'Yom"?
(b) What does Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi comment about the Yetzer ha'Ra, based on the Pasuk in Tehilim ...
  1. ... "Tzofeh Rasha la'Tzadik u'Mevakesh Lahamiso"?
  2. ... "Elokim Lo Ya'azveu be'Yado"?
(c) What does Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael advocate one do, should one come across the Yetzer ha'Ra?

(d) Sometimes he is made of stone, and sometimes of iron.
What do we learn from the Pasuk ...

  1. ... in Yirmiyah "ha'Lo Koh Devarai ka'Eish Ne'um Hashem, u'che'Patish Yefotzetz Sela"?
  2. ... in Yeshayah "Hoy Kol Tzamei Lechu le'Mayim", and "Avanim Shachaku Mayim" (Iyov)?
(a) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Kechu Nashim ve'Holidu Banim u'Vanos, *u'Kechu li'Veneichem Nashim*"?

(b) What problem do we have with the continuation of the Pasuk "ve'es Benoseichem T'nu la'Anashim"?

(c) How do we resolve this problem?

(d) According to the Tana Kama of our Mishnah, we learn from the Pasuk "Re'ei Chayim Im Ishah Asher Ahavta", that a father is obligated to teach his son a trade.
How will we explain the Pasuk ...

  1. ... according to him (based on the two interpretations of the word "Ishah")?
  2. ... according to 'Yesh Omrim' in our Mishnah?
(a) The Tana Kama obligates a father to teach his son a trade. Rebbi Yehudah adds that if he fails to do so, then it is as if he has taught him robbery.
What is the basis of their dispute?

(b) Why can 'Kol Mitzvos ha'Av al ha'Ben (Echad Anashim ve'Echad Nashim Chayavin)' not refer to all the Mitzvos that a father is obligated to do for the son? In that case, what does it refer to?

(c) Seeing as, in the Pasuk "Ish Imo ve'Aviv Tira'u", "Tira'u (in the plural)" comes to include a daughter, why does the Torah then write "Ish"?

(d) What does Rav Idi bar Avin Amar Rav say with regard to a divorced woman?
Is she still Patur from respecting her parents?

(a) What is the significance of the two Pesukim ...
  1. ... "Kabeid es Avicha" (Yisro) and "Kabeid es Hashem me'Honach" (Mishlei)?
  2. ... "Ish Imo ve'Aviv Tiyra'u" (Kedoshim) and "es Hashem Elokecha Tiyra, ve'Oso Sa'avod" (Va'eschanan)?
  3. ... "Mekalel Aviv ve'Imo Mos Yumas" (Mishpatim) and "Ish Ish Ki Yekalel Elokav, ve'Nasa Chet'o" (Emor)?
(b) What does the Tana comment about hitting one's parents? Why does the Torah not make a similar comparison to hitting Hashem like it does regarding cursing?
(a) Based on the three partners in a person's birth (Hashem, father and mother), what does Hashem comment about a person who respects his parents?

(b) What are the respective parts in the creation of man played by Hashem, his father and his mother?

(c) Rebbi comments on the Torah's priorities with regard to the Mitzvah of honoring parents.
Why does the Torah ...

  1. ... place the father before the mother re. the Mitzvah of honoring parents?
  2. ... place the mother first re. the Mitzvah of respecting them?
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