(Permission is granted to print and redistribute this material
as long as this header and the footer at the end are included.)


prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem

Previous daf

Kidushin 25

KIDUSHIN 24-30 (9-15 Sivan) - This week's study material has been dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) Why did Rav Chisda instruct Rav Hamnuna to pace a Niduy on the elders of Nezunya?

(b) What reason did they give for not attending Rav Chisda's D'rashah?

(c) When Rav Hamnuna challenged them to present *him* with a problem, they asked him whether an Eved, whose master made Sirus Beitzim, goes free. What are the two sides to the She'eilah? Why might he ...

  1. ... go free?
  2. ... not go free?
(d) What comment did they make about Rav Hamnuna's name when he was unable to answer their She'eilah?
(a) What did Rav Chisda comment when Rav Hamnuna reported what had happened?

(b) The Mishnah in Nega'im says that the twenty-four major limbs are not Metamei because of Michyah (a patch of healthy flesh in the middle of a mark of Tzara'as [which is a sign of Tum'ah]).
Why not?

(c) What are the twenty-four major limbs?

(d) Which limb of a man does Rebbi Yehudah add?

(a) The Tana Kama of a Beraisa states that all twenty-four limbs set an Eved Ivri free. Rebbi adds Sirus.
What does ben Azai say?

(b) Why can Rebbi not be adding the castration of the Gid (of B'ris Milah) to the list?

(c) What then, does Sirus refer to?

(d) Rebbi seems to hold that the Eved does not go free should his master cut of his tongue.
If that is so, how do we initially explain Rebbi in another Beraisa, who says that if a Kohen sprinkled the ashes of the Parah Adumah on the mouth of a Tamei Meis, he is Tahor? If he is not referring to the tongue, then what *is* he referring to?

(a) On what grounds is the previous interpretation unacceptable? What did Rebbi say that rules it out?

(b) In addition, Rebbi issues a ruling that clashes with it. The Tana Kama of a Beraisa says that if most of the slave's tongue is removed, he goes free.
What does Rebbi say?

(c) In view of the fact that Rebbi concedes that the tongue sets the Eved free, how will we explain the Beraisa 'Rebbi Omer Af ha'Sirus; ben Azai Omer Af ha'Lashon'? What does ben Azai hold regarding Sirus de'Beitzim?

(d) Then why did the Tana place ben Azai after Rebbi and not before him?

(a) What do the Din of Eved Cana'ani, Haza'ah, Tum'ah and Tevilah all have in common?

(b) What does Ula extrapolate (concerning the tongue) from the Pasuk in Metzora ...

  1. ... "ve'Chol Asher *Yiga* Bo ha'Zav"?
  2. ... "ve'Rachatz *Besaro* ba'Mayim"?
(c) How does he now use these opposing Halachos to explain the Machlokes between Rebbi and the Rabbanan (whether the tongue is considered revealed or Tamun regarding the Halachos of Haza'ah)?

(d) Rebbi learns from "ve'Hizah ha'Tahor *al ha'Tamei*, be'Yom ha'Shelishi u'va'Yom ha'Shevi'i *ve'Chit'o* (comparing Haza'ah to Tum'ah). The Rabbanan learn from "*ve'Chit'o* ba'Yom ha'Shevi'i ve'Chibes Begadav *ve'Rachatz* ba'Mayim ve'Taher" to compare Haza'ah to Tevilah.
On what grounds ...

  1. ... do the Rabanan decline to learn like Rebbi?
  2. ... does Rebbi decline to learn like the Rabbanan?
(a) Ravin Amar Rav Ada Amar Rebbi Yitzchak related the episode of the Shifchah of Beis Rebbi.
What did they discover after she had Toveled?

(b) What did Rebbi rule in that case?

(c) How do we reconcile this with Ula, who stated that Rebbi concedes that concerning Tevilah, the tongue is considered Tamun?

(d) This is based on Rebbi Zeira.
What did Rebbi Zeira say about 'Kol ha'Ra'uy le'Bilah'?

Answers to questions



(a) What does Rebbi Yehudah mean when he says in a Beraisa 'u'Ma'uch, ve'Chasus, ve'Nasuk ve'Charus, be'Beitzim'?

(b) Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov disagrees.
What does *he* say? What have we proved by quoting this Beraisa?

(c) What distinction does Rebbi Yossi make between 'Ma'uch ve'Chasus on the one hand, and Nasuk ve'Karus on the other?

(a) According to Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Elazar in our Mishnah, one acquires a large animal with Mesirah and a small animal with Hagbahah.
What is Mesirah?

(b) According to them, can one acquire ...

  1. ... a large animal with Meshichah?
  2. ... a small animal with Mesirah or Meshichah?
(c) And how does one acquire a small animal, according to the Chachamim?
(a) Rav Darshened in Kimchunya that one acquires a large animal with Meshichah.
What did Shmuel ask his disciples about this ruling?

(b) How did Rav's disciples first of all reconcile Rav's two rulings?

(c) But how can Rav argue with our Mishnah?

(d) Strictest of all is Rebbi Shimon in the same Beraisa.
What does he say?

(a) Rav Yosef asked how, according to Rebbi Shimon, one acquires an elephant (which one cannot possibly pick up).
Which two Kinyanim did Abaye suggest?

(b) Rebbi Zeira suggests bringing four vessels which one then places under the elephant's feet.
Which category of Kinyan does this fall under?

(c) What is the problem with Rebbi Zeira's answer?

(d) How do we resolve it?

11) How do we finally resolves Rav Yosef's problem with Rebbi Shimon? How can one acquire an elephant even with Hagbahah?

Answers to questions

Next daf


For further information on
subscriptions, archives and sponsorships,
contact Kollel Iyun Hadaf,