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Kidushin 11

KIDUSHIN 11 - Dedicated by an admirer of the work of the Dafyomi Advancement Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela Turkel, Golda bas Reb Chaim Yitzchak Ozer, A"H.


(a) We just learned that, according to ben Bag-Bag, there is no Simpon by Avadim.
Why does the purchaser not have a claim of a false sale by ...
  1. ... visible blemishes?
  2. ... hidden blemishes?
  3. ... a slave who turns out to be a thief or a Kubiyustes? What is a Kubiyustus"?
  4. ... an armed robber or if he is being hunted by the king's men for murder?
(b) Basically then, ben Bag-Bag and Rebbi Yehudah ben Beseira agree that an Arusah bas Yisrael is forbidden to eat Terumah, either because of Simpon or because of the fear that she will feed her siblings. They argue only in two cases. They argue by 'Kibeil' (if he accepted the blemishes before they became betrothed), where Simpon no longer applies, but the fear that she might feed her siblings does.
What is their Machlokes in the case of 'Masar ve'Halach'?
(a) Rebbi Zeira initially ascribes Beis Shamai who requires a Dinar for Kidushin, to the fact that a woman will not agree to less.
What did Abaye ask him from the daughters of Rebbi Yanai?

(b) What was Rebbi Zeira's reply? Would she be betrothed or not?

(c) How did he then establish Beis Shamai?

(a) Rav Yosef connects Beis Shamai with a statement of Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi.
What did Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi say?

(b) How does this rule out a P'rutah with regard to Kidushin?

(c) What is the basic difference between Kesef Tzuri and Kesef Medinah?

(d) Seeing as there are other silver coins of smaller demoninations than a Dinar, why did Beis Shamai fix the minimum Shiur for Kidushin as a Dinar?

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(a) The Torah writes in Mishpatim (in connection with a Shomer Chinam) "Ki Yiten Ish el Re'eihu Kesef O Keilim Lishmor ... Asher Yomar Ki Hu Zeh".
What do we learn from "Asher Yomar Ki Hu Zeh"?

(b) What does the Mishnah in Shevu'os give as the minimum sum for the claim (according to Shmuel, and the denial, according to Rav)?

(c) What is the smallest coin in the Tzuri range of coins?

(a) How does the Mishnah in Shevu'os pose a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi ('Kol Kesef ha'Amur ba'Torah S'tam ... ')?

(b) How does he answer this Kashya? From where does the Tana learn that *two* coins are required for the claim?

(c) And in which regard does the Torah then compare Keilim to Kesef?

(a) Others explain that a Dinar is the smallest Tzuri coin.
How do they then explain the Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi from the Mishnah?

(b) What is the answer?

(c) On what grounds does Rashi reject this explanation? Besides the change of text from the Sugya in Shevu'os (which learns this Limud the other way round [Keilim from Kesef]) what is wrong with saying 'Mah Keilim Davar Chashuv, Af Kesef Davar Chashuv'?

(d) What do we really learn from the comparison of Kesef to Keilim, according to Rashi?

(a) What is the Tana of the Mishnah in Ma'aser Sheini referring to when he says 'ha'Poret Ma'os mi'Ma'os Ma'aser Sheini'?

(b) How do Beis Shamai conclude this phrase?

(c) Based on the Pasuk "ve'Tzarta *ha'Kesef* be'Yadecha", this Mishnah too, poses a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi. The answer however, lies in the very same word as the Kashya.
What is it?

(a) What does Shmuel say about redeeming 'Hekdesh Shaveh Manah'?

(b) What is he coming to teach us?

(c) And how will Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi reconcile Shmuel with the Pasuk which writes in Bechukosai (in connection with the redemption of Hekdesh) "ve'Yasaf Chamishis *Kesef* Erkecha Alav ve'Kam Lo"?

(a) What do we finally ask on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi from the Machlokes between Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel in our Mishnah?

(b) So how do we amend Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi's statement in order to eliminate this problem? Which word do we add to 'Kol Kesef ha'Amur ba'Torah Kesef Tzuri ... '?

(a) Whom does the Torah obligate to pay ...
  1. ... five Sela'im?
  2. ... thirty Sela'im"?
  3. ... fifty Sela'im"?
  4. ... a hundred Sela'im"?
(b) How does the Mishnah in Bechoros, after listing these five cases, conclude?

(c) How much is ...

  1. ... a Shekel??
  2. ... a Shekel ha'Kodesh?
(d) Seeing as the Tana has already taught us that these five must pay in Tzuri coinage, what then, is Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi coming to teach us?
(a) The Tana of the Beraisa rules 'ha'Tokei'a la'Chaveiro, Nosen Lo Sela'.
What does 'ha'Tokei'a' mean?

(b) What is he paying for? What is the basis of this payment, min ha'Torah or mi'de'Rabbanan?

(c) Based on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi, how much is a Sela?

(d) How much would it have been if not for Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi's Chidush?

(a) Resh Lakish disagrees with the explanations of both Rebbi Zeira and Rav Yosef in Beis Shamai. According to him, they derive the Dinar of Kidushin from Amah ha'Ivriyah, which in turn, they learn from Chizkiyah.
What did Chizkiyah learn from the Pasuk in Mishpatim "ve'Hefdah"?

(b) What do we extrapolate from there?

(c) Why do we not say that Gera'on Kesef applies whenever it is possible, but not when the sale is for less than a Shaveh P'rutah? How do we learn this from Yi'ud?

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