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Kesuvos 77

KESUVOS 75-80 - dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Mr Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is sorely missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.


(a) The Tana Kama of our Mishnah does not obligate a man on whom blemishes grew to divorce his wife.
What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say?

(b) Rav Yehudah reads our Mishnah the way it is written.
How does Chiya bar Rav read it?

(c) Why does Chiya bar Rav disagree with Rav Yehudah?

(d) How does Chiya bar Rav explain Raban Shimon ben Gamliel in our Mishnah? If the blemishes were there before, why should there be a difference between small blemishes and large ones?

(a) How does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel describe a large blemish? Which three cases does this incorporate?

(b) Rebbi Aba bar Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan rules like Raban Shimon ben Gamliel (in our Mishnah).
How does Rava Amar Rav Nachman rule?

(c) How do we reconcile Rebbi Yochanan here with Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan, who rules that the Halachah is *always* like Raban Shimon ben Gamliel in a Mishnah?

(a) According to ...
  1. ... Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel, a 'Ba'al Pulipus' is someone who emits a foul smell from his nose.
    How does the Tana of the Beraisa define it?
  2. ... Rav Yehudah, a 'Mekametz' is someone who collects dog's manure.
    How does the Tana of the Beraisa define it?
  3. ... Rav Ashi, a Metzaref Nechoshes is someone who beats copper into plates to make copper pots.
    How does Rabah bar bar Chanah define it?
(b) What do the following have in common: a leper, a man whose nose or mouth emit a foul smell, someone who collects dog's manure, someone who beats copper into plates or who mines copper and a tanner?

(c) What does Rebbi Meir say about all of these?

(d) Which is the only case among these that the Chachamim concede to Rebbi Meir?

(a) How will the Tana of the Beraisa, who describes 'Mekametz' in our Mishnah as a tanner, explain the fact that the Mishnah mentions both Mekametz and Bursi?

(b) We learned earlier that according to Rav Ashi, a Metzaref Nechoshes is someone who beats copper into plates to make copper pots, whereas Rabah bar bar Chanah defines it as someone who mines copper.
Whose opinion is corroborated by a Beraisa?

(c) What did the Chachamim say about a tanner who died in Tzidon, and who left behind a brother who was also a tanner who wanted to perform Yibum?

(a) On what basis did Shmuel reject Rav's statement that when a man says 'Eini Zan ve'Eini Mefarnes, Yotzi ve'Yiten Kesuvah'?

(b) How did Shmuel react when Rebbi Elazar quoted him this statement in the name of Rav?

(c) On what grounds did Rav disagree with Shmuel's logic?

(d) What did Rebbi Zeira comment, when he arrived in Eretz Yisrael and heard Rebbi Binyamin bar Yefes quoting the same statement in the name of Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) 'Rav Yehudah Amar Rav Asi Ein Kofin Ela li'Pesulos'.
How did Shmuel interpret 'Pesulos'?

(b) What did Rav Asi mean to preclude with that?

(c) What did Rav Tachlifa bar Avimi quote Shmuel as saying?

(a) The Tana of our Mishnah lists the cases where one forces the man to divorce his wife. According to Rav Asi, our Tana does not include *his* list in the Mishnah because he is only concerned with those whom the *Rabbanan* obligate to divorce (but not those who are obligated *min ha'Torah* to do so).
What problem do we have with Rav Tachlifa bar Avimi?

(b) Rav Nachman answers the Kashya by differentiating between the different degrees of force that one employs (those in our Mishnah with sticks, that of Rav Tachlifa bar Avimi only with words).
What objection does Rebbi Aba raise with this answer (based on a Pasuk in Mishlei)?

(c) So how does Rebbi Aba diferentiate between the two cases, even though in both cases, one uses sticks?

(d) Then how does Rebbi Aba account for the case of a leper, whom we force to divorce his wife for *his* sake (as we explained earlier), in which case, we will not permit them to live together even if she expresses willingness to accept him? How will he differentiate between that case and that of Rav Tachlifa bar Avimi?

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(a) One of the elders of Yerushalayim told Rebbi Yossi that although all twenty-four types of lepers are susceptible to Tashmish, one type is particularly susceptible.
Which type is that?

(b) What happens when ...

  1. ... one of the partners lets blood immediately prior to Tashmish?
  2. ... both of them do so?
(c) When is it safe to perform Tashmish after blood-letting?

(d) There are four signs that identify a Ba'al Ra'asan: His eyes, nose and mouth all run.
What is the fourth sign?

(a) To cure the Ba'al Ra'asan, Abaye prescribes a plant called pennyroyal, wormwood, nutshells, hide scrapings. lilies and the red skin of young dates. What does one do with this potion and, lacking a marble house, in which alternative location does one apply it?

(b) And what is the purpose of the four leaves mentioned by Abaye? Having removed the fly from the brain, what must one be careful to do?

(c) Following Rebbi Yochanan's advise to avoid the insects of the Ba'alei Ra'asan, what sort of evasive action did the Amora'im take?

(d) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi had a different view.
What did he Darshen from the Pasuk in Mishlei "Ayeles Ahavim ve'Ya'alas Chein"? How did he react to the Pasuk when in the vicinity of Ba'alei Ra'asan?

(a) What reward did Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi receive for his kindness to the Ba'alei Ra'asan?

(b) On what grounds did he ask the Angel of Death for his knife?

(c) How did he manage to remain on the other side of the 'wall' that divides between this world and Gan Eden?

(d) Why did he return the Angel's knife?

(a) Why did Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai (sitting on thirteen golden chairs) query the angels, who announced 'Make way for bar Liva'i'!? Why were the angels right after all?

(b) What favor did Rebbi Chanina bar Papa ask of the Angel of Death, when he was made the same offer as Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi?

(c) What did the Angel of Death retort when he too, having also asked to see his place in Gan Eden, requested that the Angel of Death hand him his knife? Why did he not jump across like Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi did (see Agados Maharsha)?

(d) What did the Angel of Death retort when Rebbi Chanina bar Papa intimated that he was no worse than Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi?

(a) How do we know that Rebbi Chanina bar Papa was one of the greatest Tzadikim of his generation?

(b) Rebbi Alexandri requested that the pillar of fire allow them access to Rebbi Chanina bar Papa. The pillar did not move in honor of the Chachamim or in honor of his (Rebbi Chanina bar Papa's) father. When did it part allowing them to approach the Tzadik?

(c) What did Rav Ada bar Masna comment when Abaye explained that the Pillar of Fire was meant to divide between Rebbi Chanina bar Papa and all those who had not kept every letter of the Torah the way he had?

(d) Was his comment justified?

(a) Rebbi Chanina ascribed the fact that there were no Ba'alei Ra'asan in Bavel to the fact that they used to eat spinach.
What did they used to drink?

(b) Rebbi Yochanan also ascribed the fact that there were no lepers in Bavel to their eating spinach.
According to him, what did they used to drink?

(c) What else did they used to do that kept leprosy at bay?

***** Hadran Alach, ha'Madir *****

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