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Kesuvos 61

KESUVOS 61 - dedicated by Uri Wolfson and Naftali Wilk in honor of Rav Mordechai Rabin of Har Nof, a true beacon of Torah and Chesed.


(a) To whom does one listen if a man wants ...
  1. ... to hire a wet-nurse for their baby but his wife wants to feed him herself?
  2. ... his wife to feed but she does not want to (assuming that it is not her family Minhag to do so)?
  3. ... his wife to feed but she does not want to (assuming that it is her family Minhag to do so but not his)?
(b) How does ...
  1. ... Rav Huna learns this from the Pasuk in Vayeira "ve'Hi Be'ulas Ba'al".
  2. ... Rebbi Elazar learn it from the Pasuk in Bereishis "Ki Hi Haysah Eim Kol Chai"?
(a) Why does a woman who brings in ...
1. ... one Shifchah become exempt from grinding, baking and washing clothes, but not from all other Melachos? Why can she not claim that that is why she brought in a Shifchah?
2. ... two Shefachos also become exempt from cooking and feeding her baby, but not from all other Melachos?
3. ... three Shefachos also exempt from making her husband's bed and working in wool, but not from all other Melachos? Why can the woman not retort that, having brought in an extra Shifchah, she should be exempt from all Melachos?
(b) Then why can he not present the same argument when she brings in four Shefachos?
(a) In which way is the Din pertaining to the number of Shefachos that the woman brings in not literal?

(b) What does the Tana of the Beraisa mean when he writes that 'Tzimtzemah Lo mi'she'Lah' is the same as bringing in a Shifchah (as part of the Nedunyah) see Tosfos DH 've'Achas'.

(c) Which three Melachos does Rav Yitzchak bar Chananya Amar Rav Huna 'obligate' a woman to perform on behalf of her husband irrespective of how many Shefachos she may have? Is this really an obligation on her part?

(d) Under which circumstances does Rav Yitzchak bar Chananya Amar Rav Huna forbid the same three Melachos?

(a) Under which conditions does Rava permit a woman who is a Nidah to spread the sheet on her husband's bed?

(b) Under which conditions did Shmuel's wife pour him a cup of wine during her days of Libun? What are the days of Libun?

(c) What common method did Rava, Abaye and Rav Papa employ to permit a Nidah to pour her husband a cup of wine?

(a) Rav Huna states that most foods can safely be served to the Shamash when the guests have finished eating. The two exceptions are (juicy) meat and (old) wine (Rav Chisda).
Why is that?

(b) This Halachah vis-a-vis meat applies all the year round.
When does the Halachah regarding wine apply?

(c) Similar incidents occurred to Rav Anan bar Tachlifa when he was once standing in front of Shmuel whom they served a certain species of mushroom, and to Rav Ashi when they served Rav Kahana slices of turnip.
What happened to both of them?

(d) According to Rav Papa, this extends even to fat dates.
Which two conditions does a food require to fall into this category?

(a) Avuhah bar Ihi and Menimin bar Ihi differed slightly in the way they would serve the waiters who served their Se'udos.
Why would Eliyahu appear to one of them but not to the other?

(b) And on what grounds would Eliyahu appear to one of those two Chasidim (possibly Rav Mari and Rav Pinchas, sons of Rav Chisda) and not to the other? How did they differ in the way *they* treated the waiters who served them?

(a) What happened to Mar Zutra when Azgur Malka's household manager passed by holding a tray of food to serve at the royal table? What did Rav Ashi do?

(b) How did he vindicate his act to the royal guards when they questioned him as to why he had spoiled the king's food?

(c) What did Rav Ashi say to them when, upon inspection, they were unable to verify his accusation? Was it finally substantiated?

(d) He explained that he was not relying on a miracle, when he leveled the accusation.
Why not?

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(a) What did that Roman do when the woman refused to accept his proposal for marriage?

(b) What happened to her?

(c) How did he get her to accept?

(d) How did he then cure her?

(a) The author of our Mishnah which requires a woman to manufacture *woolen* clothes (but not linen ones), is Rebbi Yehudah.
On what grounds does Rebbi Yehudah differentiate between wool and linen? Why should she not have to manufacture linen clothes?

(b) The Tana of the Beraisa does not require the woman to serve her husband's father or his son. Why may her husband not instruct her to place straw in front of his animal?

(c) Why then, may he instruct her to place straw in front of his cattle?

(a) According to Rav Chanina Brei de'Rav Ika, the author of 'Sh'fod', 'Shefachos' (our case) and 'Gumos' is Rav Malkiyo; of 'B'luris', 'Eifer Makleh' and 'Gevinah', Rav Malkiya.
What does Rav Papa say? What is the meaning of the Si'man 'Masnita Malkesa'?

(b) Over which case are they arguing?

(c) Seeing as both Rebbi Eliezer and Raban Shimon ben Gamliel agree that a woman is never exempt from work, what is the difference whether it is because idleness leads to adultery or to senility?

(a) If a man makes a Neder forbidding Tashmish with his wife, Beis Shamai allow a maximum of two weeks.
What do Beis Hillel say?

(b) Bearing in mind the Pasuk in Mishpatim "ve'Onasah Lo Yigra", how is such a Neder valid anyway?

(c) What happens if someone makes a Neder for a longer period than that?

(d) Talmidim are permitted to leave home to study Torah without express permission from their wives, for thirty days.
What is the maximum time period allowed to workers?

(a) Rebbi Eliezer gives the Shiur Onah for all the different groups of people.
What is Onah?

(b) The Onah of Tayalim (which will be explained later in the Sugya) is every day, workers, twice weekly and ass-drivers, once a week.
What is the Onah of ...

  1. ... camel-drivers?
  2. ... sailors?
(a) Beis Shamai in our Mishnah learn two weeks (by Neder) from a woman who gives birth to a girl (and who is Tamei for two weeks).
On what grounds do we reject the original contention, that Beis Hillel's source for one week is a woman who gave birth to a boy?

(b) So we conclude that Beis Hillel's source is a Nidah (who is forbidden to her husband for one week).
Why do ...

  1. ... Beis Hillel prefer to learn the Din of Neder from a Nidah rather than from a woman who gave birth to a girl?
  2. ... Beis Shamai prefer to learn the Din of Neder from a woman who gave birth to a girl rather than from a Nidah?
(c) According to Rav, Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel argue when the man specifically mentioned the respective time period of each party, but not if he made the Neder S'tam.
Why is that? What will the Din be there?

(d) Why does Shmuel disagree with Rav? On what grounds does he establish the Machlokes even by S'tam?

(a) What does the Mishnah in ha'Madir say about a man who makes a Neder forbidding his wife from having Hana'ah from him? How does the Tana differentiate between up to thirty days and more than thirty days?

(b) Rav and Shmuel are involved in the same Machlokes there (regarding S'tam) as they are here, and for the same reasons, apparently duplicating their views here.
Why might we have thought that, had Rav said by S'tam that he must send his wife away and pay her Kesuvah in our case, he might nevertheless agree with Shmuel in ha'Madir?

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