ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Kesuvos 96
KESUVOS 96 - Dedicated by Gerald (Gedalia) Ziering in honor of Rabbi
Elimelech Kohn, leader of the Daf Yomi shiur at Telshe Yeshiva Alumni of
(a) The Anshei Galil used to write in their Kesuvos 'At Tehei Yasvas
be'Veisi u'Miszana mi'Nechasai Kol Yemei Meigar Armelusech'. In place of
'Kol Yemei Meigar Armelusech' - the Anshei Yeshudah used to write 'Ad
she'Yirtzu ha'Yorshin Litein Lach K'suvasech'.
(b) The implications of the Anshei Yehudah's text are - that at time, they
have the right to pay the Almanah her Kesuvah, and to absolve themselves
from the obligation of feeding her any longer.
(a) This will help explain the She'eilah whether the correct text in our
Mishnah is 'Almanah Nizones min ha'Achin', or 'Almanah ha'Nizones min
ha'Achin' - because if it is 'Almanah Nizones min ha'Achin' (implying an
obligation) then the Tana will conform with the Minhag of the Anshei Galil;
whereas if the correct text is 'Almanah ha'Nizones min ha'Achin' (implying
that it is only if they choose to feed her - by not paying her her Kesuvah),
then he will follow the Minhag of the Anshei Yehudah.
(b) We try to resolve the She'eilah from a statement of Rebbi Zeira Amar
Shmuel - who says that the findings of a widow go to herself.
(c) We initially think that Shmuel's statement fits better with the text
'Almanah ha'Nizones ... ' - because, based on the fact that her husband is
the one who feeds her, what a woman finds normally belongs to him.
Consequently, if the Yesomim were obligated to feed her, then they ought to
receive her findings. But if we read 'Almanah ha'Nizones', our Mishnah will
speak when the Yesomim chose to feed her, whilst Shmuel speaks when they did
(d) We conclude however, that Shmuel might well have had the text 'Almanah
Nizones ... ', and in spite of that, the Yesomim are not obligated to feed
her - because it is only the husband whom they wished to receive his wife's
findings, to prevent strife in the home, but this is not applicable here,
seeing as the Yesomim are forced to feed her in the first place (so there
will be strife in any event).
(a) Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina says that any Melachah that a woman was
obligated to do for her husband, she is obligated to do for his heirs,
except for three - pouring out the wine, making his bed and washing his
hands, face and feet, which are conducive to creating love between husband
and wife, but which have no place in the case of a widow and her husband's
(b) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi says that any Melachah that a slave is obligated
to do for his master, a Talmid is obligated to do for his Rebbe except for
one - untying his shoes, which he actually forbids, in case people think
that he is a slave.
(c) Rava permits even that one in a place where the Talmid is known. Rav
Ashi permits it even where he is not known - if he is wearing Tefilin at the
time, because it is unusual for a slave to wear Tefilin.
(d) It is not forbidden for a slave forbidden to wear Tefilin.
(a) Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan learns from the Pasuk in Iyov
"la'Mas me'Re'eihu Chesed" - that a Rebbe who stops his Talmid from serving
him, withholds from him Chesed.
(b) Based on the phrase that follows it "ve'Yir'as Shakai Ya'azov" - Rav
Nachman bar Yitzchak adds that he also prevents him from increasing his
(a) Rebbi Elazar says that if an Almanah, whose claim for Mezonos is
confined to Karka , seized Metaltelin - Beis-Din cannot take it away from
(b) Rebbi Elazar's ruling is substantiated by a Beraisa and by Rav Dimi, who
testified that - when the daughter-in-law of Rebbi Shabsi seized a leather
sack-full of money, the Chachamim did not have the authority to take it away
(c) According to Ravina, this concession does not extend to a woman who
claimed her Kesuvah from Metaltelin. Mar bar Rav Ashi however, objects to
Ravina's ruling - on the grounds that seeing as the initial Din of the one
is Karka just like that of the other, why should their Dinim differ.
Consequently, the Din of Kesuvah is equivalent to that of Mezonos (in both
cases, she may keep what she seized).
(d) The Halachah is generally like Mar bar Rav Ashi - though Rav Yitzchak
bar Naftali Amar Rava corroborated Ravina's ruling.
(a) Rebbi Yochanan Amar Rebbi Yossi ben Zimra said - that an Almanah who
waited two or three years before claiming her Mezonos from her husband's
heirs - loses her rights to them.
(b) Having said that she loses it after two years, he nevertheless mentions
three, because there might be a difference between a wealthy woman and a
poor one - meaning that if a poor woman does not claim by within two years,
we assume that she has foregone her claim. A wealthy woman, on the other
hand, might be able to manage on her own resources for a longer period
before claiming her dues. Consequently, we do not assume that she has been
Mochel her rights until three years.
(c) Alternatively - three years pertains to a woman who is reserved, two
years, to one who is not.
(d) This does not mean that a widow who fails to claim for two or three
years, has lost her right to claim any more - because Rebbi Yochanan was
referring to her past claims, not her future ones (which remain intact).
(a) Rebbi Yochanan asked what the Din will be if the Yesomim claims that
they paid the Almanah's Mezonos, and she counters that she did not receive
it, whether the property is in the Yesomim's possession or in the possession
of the Almanah. Assuming the former side of the She'eilah to be correct - to
prove her claim, the Almanah have to do bring evidence that the Yesomim
admitted in the presence of witnesses that she had not yet received her
(b) The property might be considered to be in the possession of the
Almanah - on the grounds that Mezonos is a T'nai Beis-Din.
(c) We resolve the She'eilah from a Beraisa quoted by Levi - where the Tana
makes a distinction between the period before the Almanah remarries - when
he places the onus on the Yesomim to prove that she received Mezonos, and
afterwards - when he places it on her.
(a) Based on another Beraisa, Rav Shimi bar Ashi suggests that this is in
fact a Machlokes Tana'im. Rebbi Yehudah requires an Almanah who sells some
of her deceased husband's property to record all the details of her sales in
writing: 'These I sold for Mezonos and these for my Kesuvah'. According to
Rebbi Yossi - she has the authority to sell S'tam, and, he adds, this works
to her advantage).
(b) Rav Shimi bar Ashi tries to connect this Beraisa with the She'eilah
whether the property is in the Reshus of the Yesomim or the Almanah - Rebbi
Yehudah holds that it is in the possession of the Yesomim, Rebbi Yossi
holds, in the possession of the Almanah.
(c) According to Rebbi Yehudah, if she failed to write details of her sale -
when she comes to claim her Kesuvah and her Mezonos, the Yesomim will claim
that what she sold was for her Kesuvah, and that, regarding her Mezonos,
they had been giving her Metaltelin to cover that on an ongoing basis.
(d) According to Rebbi Yossi, not writing down the details of her sales will
be to her advantage - because she will now be able to claim that what she
sold was for Mezonos, enabling her to then claim her Kesuvah from her
husband's buyers (which, due to the principle 'Ein Motzi'in le'Mazon
ha'Ishah ve'ha'Banos mi'Nechasim Meshubadim', she could not were she to be
(a) We reject this proof however, on the grounds that even Rebbi Yehudah
might agree that the property is in the possession of the Almanah, and the
reason that he requires her to write down all the details of what she sold -
is not because it is an obligation, but, in the form of sound advice, to
prevent people who see her selling all her husband's property, from
suspecting her of greed, making it extremely difficult for her to find a
Shiduch when she decides to remarry.
(b) We support this explanation from the Mishnah later in this Perek, which
writes 'Mocheres li'Mezonos she'Lo be'Veis-Din, ve'Koseves, "Eilu li'Mezonos
Macharti" '. Now why did Rebbi Yochanan not resolve his She'eilah from that
Tana - who seemingly holds that the property is in the possession of the
Yesomim (like Rebbi Yehudah), unless we say that he is only supplying the
Almanah with good advice.
(c) This proof is stronger than the one from Rebbi Yehudah in the Beraisa -
because whereas it is feasible that Rebbi Yochanan had not been aware of the
Beraisa, we take for granted that every Amora was conversant with every
(a) Alternatively, even Rebbi Yossi might hold that the property is in the
possession of the Yesomim, only he holds like Abaye Keshisha, who said that
if a man on his death-bed who orders his heirs to give two hundred Zuz to
so-and-so his creditor - the creditor has the choice of accepting the money
as payment of his debt or as a gift.
(b) Taking the money as a gift - would leave him the option of claiming his
debt from Meshubadim (which he could not do in the case of a gift).
(c) Similarly, in our case, even if the property is considered to be in the
possession of the Yesomim - not writing down the details of her sales will
leave the Almanah the option of declaring *only* what she sold for Mezonos,
and what she is still owed, enabling her to claim her Kesuvah from
Meshubadim (from which she could not have claimed Mezonos, as we just
explained according to Rebbi Yehudah).
(d) Even if Rebbi Yossi holds that the property is in the possession of the
Yesomim, and they actually counter that what she sold, she sold for her
Kesuvah (in which case, she will lose her Mezonos, as we just explained),
that is only as long as she does not bring witnesses to substantiate her