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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Kesuvos 43
1) WHAT DOES THE FATHER CLAIM?
(a) Chachamim say, the father demands payment for
embarrassment and blemish.
2) A DAUGHTER'S EARNINGS
(b) (Rav Papa): R. Shimon holds, a person claims a fixed
payment rather than a payment which must be assessed.
1. Chachamim say that a person claims something which
must be paid in all cases, and not a fine which the
defendant is exempt from when he admits.
(a) Question (R. Avina): A girl that is fed by her brothers
(after the father died) - who receives her earnings?
1. Perhaps the brothers are in place of the father -
just as her earnings went to her father, so too to
(b) Answer (Rav Sheshes - Mishnah): A widow is fed from the
inheritance of the orphans; they receive her earnings.
2. Or, the cases are not similar - the father chose to
feed her, but a condition of her mother's Kesuvah
dictates that the brothers feed her.
(c) Objection: That case is different - a man is not
concerned that his widow profit, but he does want this
for his daughter!
1. Question: Do we really say that a man is more
concerned for his daughter than his widow?
(d) Question (Rav Yosef - Mishnah): The earnings or found
object of a daughter, even if the father died before
collecting them, go to the sons.
i. (R. Aba): The law of a widow and a daughter is
like the law of a daughter and sons when the
estate is meager.
2. Answer: A man is more concerned for the disgrace of
his widow than his daughter, but he is more
concerned for the profit of his daughter than his
ii. Just as the daughter is fed and the sons beg
for food - also, the widow is fed and the
1. It seems, this is only said when they were earned in
the father's life - after his death, she keeps her
(e) Question (Rava): Can it be, a sage as Rav Yosef did not
anticipate this answer?!
2. Suggestion: The case is, she is being fed by the
3. Rejection: No, she is not being fed.
4. Question: If so, the law is obvious!
i. Even the opinion that says that one can force
his slave to work for him without feeding him -
this is only by a Kanani slave!
5. Answer (Rabah Bar Ula): We need the verse to teach
that the sons inherit her earnings above the cost of
ii. By a Jewish slave, "He is with you (eats as
well as you)" - all the more so, one may not
make his daughter work for him without feeding
(f) Answer (Rava): Rather, the Mishnah itself was difficult
1. It is not appropriate to speak of a found object
which was not yet collected!
(g) (Rav): A daughter fed by the brothers keeps her earnings.
2. Rather, the Mishnah equates her earnings and her
i. Just as her found objects, what is in the
father's lifetime goes to the father, after his
death, to herself; so too her earnings.
(h) (Rav Kahana): This is learned from "You will bequeath
them to your sons" - you bequeath them (Kanani slaves) to
your sons, but not privileges in your daughters.
(i) Question (Rabah): Perhaps the verse only talks of
payments for enticement, fines and payments of injuries!
1. Support (Rav Chanina - Beraisa): The verse speaks of
payments for enticement, fines and payments of
(j) Question: (She gets payments for) injuries, they come
through her pain!
(k) Answer (R. Yosi Bar Chanina): For example, he bruised her
face (the father receives the payment, since it decreases
the money he can receive for her).
(l) (Rav): A daughter fed by the brothers keeps her earnings
- "You will bequeath them to your sons" - but you do not
bequeath privileges in your daughters to your sons.
3) WHEN THE FATHER RECEIVES THE KESUVAH
1. Avimi Bar Papa: Shekod (Shmuel) said this.
(m) (Mar Bar Amemar): Nehardai say, the law is as Rav
2. Question: But Rav said this!
3. Correction: Rather, also Shekod said this.
(n) (Rav Ashi): The law is as Rav.
1. The law is as Rav.
(a) (Mishnah): A girl was engaged, divorced, engaged, widowed
- her father gets the Kesuvah;
4) FROM WHEN IS THE KESUVAH COLLECTED?
(b) She was married, divorced, married, widowed - she
receives the Kesuvah; R. Yehudah says, he receives the
1. Chachamim: Once she is married, he has no
jurisdiction over her.
(c) (Gemara): Specifically, she was divorced and widowed -
but had she been widowed twice, she could not remarry!
1. The Mishnah is as Rebbi, who says that after being
widowed twice, it is established that her husbands
(d) (Mishnah): R. Yehudah says, the first Kesuvah goes to the
(e) Question: What is the reason for R. Yehudah?
(f) Version #1 - Answer (Rabah): The father merits the
Kesuvah from the time of engagement.
1. Question (Rava - Beraisa): R. Yehudah admits, if she
was engaged, became a Bogeres and went to Chupah,
the father has no jurisdiction over her.
(g) Version #2 - Answer (Rabah): He merits it, since it was
written when she was in his jurisdiction.
2. We do not say, the father merited the Kesuvah from
the time of engagement!
(a) Question: From when can she collect (the Kesuvah from
property the husband sold)?
(b) Answer #1 (Rav Huna): 100 or 200 (the basic Kesuvah for a
non-virgin or virgin) from the time of engagement; any
addition to this, from the time of Chupah.
(c) Answer #2 (Rav Asi): The entire amount is collected from
the time of Chupah.
(d) Question: Rav Huna contradicts his own teaching!
1. (Rav Huna): A (divorced or widowed) woman is holding
2 Kesuvos, 1 for 200, 1 for 300. She may collect 200
from the earlier date, or 300 from the later date.
(e) Counter-question: Why not say she collects 500, 200 from
the earlier date, 300 from the later date!
2. According to Rav Huna's answer above, she should
collect 200 from the earlier date, and 100 from the
(f) You must say, since he did not write, 'I am adding 300 to
your 200', he intends that she may collect 200 from the
earlier date, or 300 from the later date.