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Gitin 79

GITIN 77-79 - Dedicated by an admirer of the work of the Dafyomi Advancement Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela Turkel, Golda bas Reb Chaim Yitzchak Ozer, A"H.


(a) The Tana of our Mishnah rules that if a man throws a Get to his wife, who is standing on the roof, she is divorced as soon as the Get reaches the airspace of the roof.
What is the problem with this ruling?

(b) Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel establishes our Mishnah by a roof with a Ma'akah (a parapet - and the Get is guarded by the walls of the parapet even whilst it is in the air).
How does Ula bar Menashe Mishmeih de'Avimi establish it even by a roof without walls?

(c) The Tana issues the same ruling in to the reverse case (when the husband threw the Get from the roof to the Chatzer, in which case his wife is divorced as soon as the Get leaves the airspace of the roof.
What are the ramifications of this ruling?

(d) How do Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel and a number of other Amora'im establish the Seifa to explain why the woman is divorced, even though it initially appears that the airspace of the Chatzer is not guarded?

(a) Someone who throws an object on Shabbos from one Reshus ha'Rabim to another Reshus ha'Rabim via a Reshus ha'Yachid, is Chayav, according to Rebbi.
Why is that?

(b) What do the Chachamim say?

(c) Rebbi Aba asked Ula whether the author of our Mishnah is Rebbi, who holds 'K'lutah ke'Mi she'Hunchah Damya'.
What did Ula reply?

(d) Regarding the ruling in the Seifa, Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah establishes the Mishnah when the Get was blotted out or burned as it was descending but not on its ascent.
Why is that?

(a) The Tana rules that even if a dog subsequently caught the Get and ran off with it, or it was burned by a fire, once it leaves the airspace of the roof, the woman is divorced.
How does Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah qualify the latter case (when the Get is burned by fire)?

(b) Why is that?

(a) What does Rav Chisda mean when he says 'Reshuyos Chalukos le'Gitin'?

(b) Rava tried to pinpoint the source of Rav Chisda's Din as the Reisha of our Mishnah (where the man threw the Get to his wife on the roof). Why can the Tana not be speaking when both the roof and the Chatzer belong to ...

  1. ... her?
  2. ... him?
(c) So what is the case in the Reisha?

(d) Based on the fact that Rava does not want to establish the Seifa by his roof and her Chatzer (so that the Reisha and the Seifa should not speak in different cases), how does he therefore prove Rav Chisda's ruling from there?

5) How does Rami bar Chama repudiates Rava's proof?


(a) Rava lists three Dinim that are peculiar to Gitin. We have already learned that although the Rabbanan maintain with regard to Shabbos 'K'lutah La'av ke'Mi she'Hunchah Damya', they will agree with Rebbi that 'K'lutah ke'Mi she'Hunchah Damya' in our case, where the Get is guarded. What does Rav Chisda say about a case where someone threw something from the Reshus ha'Rabim to on top of a hundred Amah post that is stuck in the ground in a Reshus ha'Yachid (with a basket on top - this does not appear in Shabbos)?

(b) If however, a man threw his wife a Get on to the same post (even if it belonged to her) she would not be divorced.
Why not?

(c) The third Din concerns two adjoining roofs.
What does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say about someone standing on his rooftop on Shabbos, collecting water from his neighbor's adjoining rooftop?

(d) What does Rava say about a similar case regarding Gitin, but when both roofs belong to the husband? What is the Chidush?

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(a) What did Abaye say about a man who throws a Get from his outer Chatzer to his wife's inner one, assuming that the walls of his Chatzer are higher than hers?

(b) What will be the Din in the equivalent case of two boxes, if the man throws a Get into the inner box that belongs to her and whose walls are lower that his?

(c) Why does the Din of the two boxes differ from that of the two Chatzeiros?

(d) She is not divorced in the case of the two boxes only because the Get did not rest in the box. Even if it did, why would it not be a case of 'the vessels of the purchaser in the domain of the seller', which is subject to a Machlokes Amora'im, as we learned earlier?

(a) Beis Shamai validates a Get Yashan.
What is a Get Yashan?

(b) What do Beis Hillel say?

(c) The basis of the Machlokes is whether the Chachamim issued a decree or not.
Which decree?

(d) In the event that she married with a Get Yashan, Rebbi Aba Amar Shmuel permits the woman to remain with her husband. In the second Lashon, he is even more lenient.
What does he say there?

(a) What does the Tana say about 'Kasav le'Shum Malchus she'Einah Hogenes, le'Shum Malchus Madai, le'Shum Malchus Yavan, le'Binyan ha'Bayis, le'Churban ha'Bayis'?

(b) Where is the Get under discussion being written?

(c) Why do all of these cases invalidate the Get?

(d) What does the Tana of the Mishnah say about a Sofer who wrote a different location than where the Get was written or than where the witnesses signed (see Tosfos 80a. DH 'Ki')?

(a) She also requires a Get from both men.
Is she entitled to claim her Kesuvah or any of the Tena'ei Kesuvah?

(b) The children that she subsequently bears from either man are Mamzeirim. Is there any distinction between the children of the first husband and those of the second?

(c) Assuming that either husband is a Kohen, is he permitted to bury her?

(d) Do they retain the right to receive whatever she finds or produces, and to nullify her vows?

(a) On what basis will she ...
  1. ... become Pasul to marry a Kohen (even should both men die), if she is a bas Yisrael?
  2. ... lose her right to eat Ma'aser, if she is a bas Levi and Terumah de'Rabbanan, if she is a bas Kohen?
(b) Seeing as she does not receive her Kesuvah anyway, what does the Tana mean when he says that neither set of children will inherit her Kesuvah in theevent of her death?

(c) What will happen if both men die without children, and each one has a brother?

(d) Why does the brother of the second husand require Chalitzah?

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