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Gitin 29

GITIN 29 & 30 - have been anonymously dedicated by a very special Marbitz Torah and student of the Daf from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) In the second Lashon, Rav Yosef restricts our Mishnah to a Beis-Din shel Akum. It is only there that we give a 'Yotze Lehareg' a Chezkas Chayim.
Why is that?

(b) Why will we not do so in the case of Beis-Din shel Yisrael?

(c) Why is there no proof for Rav Yosef from the Beraisa of Bore'ach, where we put the sentenced man to death on the testimony of the witnesses, and do not contend with the possibility that he may have been acquitted?

(a) The Tana of our Mishnah permits a Sheli'ach ha'Get in Eretz Yisrael who becomes sick, to appoint another Sheli'ach in his place.
Must this be done in Beis-Din?

(b) Why will the Halachah differ in the event that the husband asked the Sheli'ach to take a specific object from his wife when handing her the Get?

(c) Should the Sheli'ach nevertheless appoint another Sheli'ach, in this latter case), will the Get be valid?

(d) Is the Sheli'ach permitted to appoint another Sheli'ach to take the Get to the Meshale'ach's wife ...

  1. ...even if he is not sick?
  2. ... in the case of other Onsin besides sickness?
(a) What distinction does the Tana Kama of a Beraisa make between a Sheli'ach ha'Get to whom the Meshale'ach said 'Holech Get Zeh le'Ishti' and one to whom he said '*At(ah)* Holech ... '?

(b) What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say?

(c) Assuming that Raban Shimon ben Gamliel forbids the Sheli'ach to a appoint a Sheli'ach under any circumstances, and the author of our Mishnah is the Rabbanan, what are the two ways of correlating the Mishnah with the Beraisa?

(d) Assuming that the author of our Mishnah is Raban Shimon ben Gamliel, how will we then establish ...

  1. ... Raban Shimon ben Gamliel in the Beraisa and in the Mishnah?
  2. ... the Rabbanan in the Beraisa?
(a) What does the Mishnah later in 'ha'Omer' state about someone who asks two people to give a Get (as yet unwritten) to his wife, or three people to write and give it to her? What can we extrapolate from there?

(b) How do we reconcile this with our Mishnah, which permits the Sheli'ach to appoint a Sheli'ach (even when he is not sick, according to one of the previous opinions)?

(a) According to Rava, the Mishnah in 'ha'Omer' is different because it is 'Mili'.
What does this mean? So what if it is?

(b) What are the ramifications of the Machlokes between Abaye and Rava? What difference does it make whether the reason of the Mishnah in 'ha'Omer' is because of 'Bizayon de'Ba'al' or because 'Mili Lo Mimseri li'Sheli'ach'?

(c) In fact, the Machlokes between Abaye and Rava is not a new Machlokes. Who has already argued over the same point before?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah that if the Meshale'ach instructed the Sheli'ach to take a certain object from his wife, he is not permitted to appoint another Sheli'ach.
What important (dual) principle is Rebbi teaching us here, according to Resh Lakish?

(b) What else might he have meant when he wrote 'Lo Yeshalchenu be'Yad Acher'?

(a) On what grounds does Rebbi Yochanan disagree with Resh Lakish's interpretation of 'Lo Yeshalchenu be'Yad Acher'?

(b) So how does he interpret it?

(c) When does Rebbi Yochanan hold ...

  1. ... that the Get is nevertheless valid (like Resh Lakish)?
  2. ... that it is not (as if the Meshale'ach would have instructed the Sheli'ach to hand her the Get in the house, and he went and handed it to her in the attic).
(d) In this latter case (the case over which they are arguing), is there any difference between the original Sheli'ach and the Sheli'ach whom he appointed, according to ...
  1. ... Rebbi Yochanan?
  2. ... Resh Lakish? What is Resh Lakish's reason?
Answers to questions



(a) Why does the Din of a Sheli'ach who is delivering a Get from Chutz la'Aretz differ from one who is delivering it in Eretz Yisrael, with regard to appointing another Sheli'ach?

(b) Who then makes the declaration?

(c) What does the second Sheli'ach then say when he hands the woman the Get?

(a) What did ...
1. ... Avimi the son of Rebbi Avahu extrapolate (in response to the Rabbanan's She'eilah) from the fact that our Mishnah says 'Ein ha'Sheli'ach *Acharon* Tzarich she'Yomar be'Fanai Nichtav ... ', rather than '*ha'Sheini*'?
2. ... the Rabbanan extrapolate (in response to Avimi's version of the She'eilah) from the Seifa of the Mishnah 'Ela Omer Sheli'ach Beis-Din Ani'?
(b) According to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, the Rabbanan asked Avimi whether a second Sheli'ach who appoints a third Sheli'ach requires Beis-Din or not. What was Avimi's reply?

(c) The Rabbanan answered this from the Lashon 'Acharon' used by the Tana in our Mishnah (like Avimi answered them in the first Lashon).
How did Avimi then resolve their She'eilah?

(a) What does Rava rule with regard to a second Sheli'ach appointing a third Sheli'ach ... in Eretz Yisrael?

(b) What did Mar bar Rav Ashi say about his father's ruling, that the moment the first Sheli'ach dies, all the other Shelichus become nullified?

(c) When will this be the case, according to Mar bar Rav Ashi?

(a) What did a certain husband say to a prospective Sheli'ach who initially declined to accept the Shelichus on the grounds that he would not be able to recognize the Meshale'ach's wife?

(b) The Sheli'ach did not find Aba bar Minyumi, but he did find Rebbi Avahu, Rebbi Chanina bar Papa and Rebbi Yitzchak Nafcha.
What did they suggest?

(c) Rava was full of praise for the young Rav Safra, who was sitting with them at the time, and whose comment stumped them.
What did he comment?

(d) Rav Ashi disagrees with Rava.
On what grounds does Rav Ashi refute Rav Safra's statement?

(a) In the second Lashon, Rava and Rav Ashi reverse their opinions.
What does ...
  1. ... Rava then comment?
  2. ... Rav Ashi retort?
(b) What advice did Rava give a certain Sheli'ach who was told not to deliver the Get before thirty days, but who knew that he would be unable to fulfill his Shelichus then?

(c) What did Rava reply when the Rabbanan queried his idea, seeing as the Sheli'ach was not a Sheli'ach for Gerushin at that moment?

(d) What is the problem with the thirty day delay?

(a) The above problem is based on a Mishnah in 'Mi she'Ochzo', 'me'Achshav im Lo Ba'asi mi'Ka'an ve'Ad Sh'teim-Esrei Chodesh, u'Meis be'Soch Sh'teim-Esrei Chodesh, Harei Zeh Get'.
Why are we not afraid there that the husband appeased his wife and was intimate with her, rendering the Get a Get Yashan?

(b) Why do we not suspect by every Sheli'ach that by the time the Sheli'ach arrives at his destination, the husband may have appeased his wife?

(c) Rava was embarrassed by the Rabbanan's Kashya (regarding Get Yashan). What did he not initially know that ultimately vindicated him?

(d) Rava asks whether, when the second Sheli'ach appoints a third one, it must be in the presence of the first Sheli'ach or not. His own resolution conformed with 'Shalchu mi'Tam'.
How did Shalchu mi'Tam resolve the She'eilah?

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