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Gitin 25

GITIN 24 & 25 - have been anonymously dedicated by a very special Marbitz Torah and student of the Daf from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) We just explained that Rebbi Yochanan holds 'Ein B'reirah'.
What does he say with regard to brothers who divided the inheritance that they received from their father.

(b) What would the Din be if he held 'Yesh B'reirah'?

(c) Why did Rebbi Yochanan find it necessary to teach us 'Ein B'reirah' both in the case of brothers and in the case of Get? What would we have thought had he only taught us 'Ein B'reirah' in the case of ...

  1. ... Get, but not by brothers?
  2. ... brothers, but not by Get (if we read 'Mishum de'le'Chumra')?
(d) How will we explain the last distinction if we read 'ki'Techilah'?
(a) What did Rav Hoshaya ask Rav Yehudah about the man (whose two wives had the same name) who asked the Sofer to write a Get in the name of whichever wife came out of the door first?

(b) How did Rav Yehudah answer him from our Mishnah?

(a) What is the case cited by the Tana in the Beraisa, of the man who informed his children that he was Shechting the Korban Pesach on behalf of the first one to arrive in Yerushalayim? How does the Tana conclude?

(b) Rav Yehudah refuted Rav Hoshaya's proof from there (that we hold 'Yesh B'reirah') with the explanation of Rebbi Yochanan.
What did Rebbi Yochanan say?

(c) How does Rav Yehudah prove Rebbi Yochanan's interpretation from the very words of the Tana?

(d) We further substantiate this with another Beraisa.
What does the Tana tell us about a case that actually happened, when the daughters arrived first in Yerushalayim?

(a) What problem does Abaye have with the inconsistency of Rav Hoshaya's She'eilah (regarding whichever wife leaves the house first), Rav Yehudah's reply (from whichever wife he decides to divorce), and Rav Hoshaya's subsequent Kashya (from the case of the Korban Pesach)?

(b) Why might there be less reason to say 'Yesh Bereirah' in a case of 'Toleh be'Da'as Atzmo' than Toleh be'Da'as Acheirim'?

(c) On what grounds does Rava reject Abaye's Kashya?

(a) Rav Mesharshaya asks on Rava from Rebbi Yehudah in the Beraisa. Rebbi Meir permits drinking wine that one purchased from Kutim (on Erev Shabbos and he was unable to separate the Ma'asros before Shabbos arrived).
What does he say about Ma'asering verbally (one hundred Lugin) with regard to ...
  1. ... Terumah?
  2. ... Ma'aser Rishon?
  3. ... Ma'aser Sheini?
(b) Why is it necessary for the purchaser to separate Terumah, seeing as Amei ha'Aretz are not suspect on Terumah?

(c) Will the same apply nowadays?

(a) When does Rebbi Meir permit drinking the wine?

(b) What do Rebbi Yehudah, Rebbi Yossi and Rebbi Shimon say there?

(c) How does Rav Mesharshaya explain Rebbi Yehudah?

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(a) Rebbi Yehudah states in a Mishnah later that if someone says to his wife 'Zeh Gitech Me'achshav Im Meisi me'Choli Zeh', she has the status of a married woman during the interim period, even if he does die from the illness.
What are the ramifications of Rebbi Yehudah's ruling ...
  1. ... assuming the husband is a Kohen?
  2. ... even if he is not?
(b) How can we extrapolate from the fact that Rebbi Yehudah nevertheless validates the Get should he die from the illness, that he holds 'Yesh B'reirah' by Toleh be'Da'as Acheirim?

(c) Why is it that, if not for B'reirah, the Get would be invalid because of 'Ein Get le'Achar Misah'? How does this differ from other conditions that need to be fulfilled after the Get takes place, and when they are, the Get is valid retroactively, even without B'reirah?

(a) In another Beraisa, in a case where a man says to a woman 'Hareini Bo'alech al-Menas she'Yirtzeh Aba', the Tana Kama says that she is betrothed even if the woman's father did not consent to the betrothal.
Why is that?

(b) Rebbi Shimon (who concurs with the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah in the Beraisa of 'ha'Lokei'ach Yayin mi'Bein ha'Kutim') disagrees.
What does Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah quote Rebbi Shimon as saying?

(c) How do we extrapolate from here that Rebbi Shimon holds 'Yesh B'reirah'?

(a) What does Rav Mesharshaya now extrapolate from this Beraisa in conjunction with that of 'ha'Lokei'ach Yayin', with regard to the opinion of Rebbi Shimon? Why is this a Kashya on Rava?

(b) Rava replies that both Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Shimon hold 'Yesh B'reirah'.
In that case, on what grounds do they forbid the person who purchased wine from a Kuti to drink it before having actually separated it?

(c) The Tana'im who argue with Rebbi Meir specifically gave this reason in another Beraisa.
What did Rebbi Meir reply?

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