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Gitin 9

GITIN 9 & 10 - have been anonymously dedicated by a very special Marbitz Torah and student of the Daf from Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.


(a) We just established Rava (who holds [with regard to a Get Shichrur which includes a gift of Karka] 'Palginan Diburei') like Rebbi Shimon in the Beraisa.
What did Rebbi Yossi say when he heard Rebbi Shimon's opinion?

(b) What did Rav Yosef bar Minyumi Amar Rav Nachman say in connection with Rebbi Yossi's statement?

(c) What problem does this create for Rava?

(a) What did Rav Yosef bar Minyumi Amar Rav Nachman rule with regard to a Shechiv-Mera who wrote all his property to his slave and then recovered?
What does this go to prove?

(b) Rav Ashi reconciles Rav Yosef bar Minyumi Amar Rav Nachman's latter ruling with the previous case, where he ruled like Rebbi Meir, who ostensibly does not hold of 'Palginan Diburei' by Sh'tar, with the words 'de'La'av K'rus Gita Hu'.
What is the meaning of 'K'rus Gita'?

(c) What does it mean in the context of the Mishnah in Pe'ah?

(d) How do we know that 'K'rus Gita' applies to a Get Shichrur as well as to a Get Ishah, where it is written?

(a) The Tana in our Mishnah states 'Im Yesh Alav Orerin, Yiskayem be'Chosamav'.
On what grounds do we reject the proposition that this refers to the protest ...
  1. ... of one witness (who claims that the Get is Pasul)?
  2. ... of two witnesses?
(b) Who then, is the protester referred to by the Tana?

(c) Why are we still not worried that the Get may not have been written Li'shmah?

(a) What does the Tana of our Mishnah say about ...
  1. ... someone who brings a Get from overseas but who is unable to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav ... '?
  2. ... someone who brings a Get Shichrur from overseas?
(b) Since the former case is not speaking about a Cheresh (who is not eligible for Shelichus anyway), about whom is it speaking?
(a) Gitei Nashim are compared to Shichrurei Avadim in three regards: 1. the need to say 'be'Fanai Nichtav' (as we learned in our Mishnah); 2. that if a Kuti signed on either of them as a witness, the Sh'tar is valid.
What is the third comparison?

(b) In the third case that we just learned, what is the difference between a Get and other monetary documents? Why are the former Pasul and the latter, valid?

(c) According to Rebbi Meir, there is a fourth case where Gitei Nashim are compared to Shichrurei Avadim.
What is it?

(d) What is Rebbi Meir's reason?

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(a) The Rabbanan do not list this case.
Why not?

(b) What is the basis of the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabbanan?
What do they

(c) According to the Rabbanan, the Tana states that there are three cases, to preclude the case of Rebbi Meir, but why does he need to state that there are four according to Rebbi Meir?

(a) What happens when the witnesses do not know how to sign their names in the case of ...
  1. ... a Get Ishah?
  2. ... other Sh'taros?
(b) What does Raban Shimon ben Gamliel say about Shichrurei Avadim, whose witnesses do not know how to sign their names?

(c) Why did Chazal not compare Shichrurei Avadim to Gitei Nashim here too?

(d) Raban Shimon ben Gamliel said in his statement regarding other documents 'Im Yod'in Likros ve'Lachtom'.
How do we amend his statement to accommodate the word 'Likros', which appears to be superfluous?

(a) If a Shechiv-Mera gives a Sh'tar to a Sheli'ach and dies, should the Sheli'ach hand it to the recipient in the case of ...
  1. ... a Get Ishah?
  2. ... a Sh'tar Shichrur?
(b) And what will be the Din if he dies after giving a Sheli'ach a Manah to hand over to a friend on his behalf?

(c) Then why did the Tana not include this case in his list of cases where Gitei Nashim are compared to Shichrurei Avadim?

(d) Why does Ravin Amar Rebbi Avahu quoting Rebbi Elazar in the name of Rebbi give 'T'nu Manah li'Peloni' the same Din as Gitei Nashim in this regard?

(a) What will be the Din with regard to writing a Sh'tar she'Lo Lishmah regarding ...
  1. ... a Get Ishah?
  2. ... a Sh'tar Shichrur?
(b) We ask why the Tana did not insert this in his list comparing the to Dinim.
According to which Amora is this a problem?

(c) We have learned that a Get that is written on something that is still attached to the ground is invalid.
What will be the Din regarding a Sh'tar Shichrur that is attached?

(d) How do we then attempt to explain why the Tana ...

  1. ... omits these two cases ('Lishmah' according to Rava, and 'Mechubar' according to everyone)?
  2. ... then inserts that of Ercha'os shel Nochrim, which is a P'sul d'Oraysa?
(a) Since the Tana speaks when there are Eidei Mesirah, on what grounds will the Get then be Pasul?

(b) Why must the Sofer then have been a Jew?

(a) In the Seifa of the Beraisa, Rebbi Elazar validates even Gitei Nashim that are signed by Nochrim.
How does Rebbi Zeira explain this?

(b) Does this not imply that the Tana Kama does not follow the opinion of Rebbi Elazar?

(c) How else might we interpret their Machlokes?

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